Consciousness is Not a Computation (Roger Penrose) | AI Podcast Clips

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1. Modern philosophers

2. Conciousness is obviously a macroscopical effect.
   It really doesnt matter if all the small processes which make up conciousness are determined or not.
   Even if a certain randomness stemming from quantum processes is part of it, then

   1. this randomness could be simulated.
   This means that one specific mind cant be simulated but a mind which is human in nature could be computed.

   2. we have even less control over what happens in our mind.
   Free will would be even more of a farce than in pure determinism.

   Physicists just try to put new labels on the same old problem:
   Science can't explain "Experience" as a concept.
   The most self-evident thing that exists stays the most elusive to understand.
   We dont know yet how the brain creates "perspective", it is understandable that we dont know how computers could do it.

3. What I never understood about quantum physics, is they use the term "observe" but humans are physically incapable of observing an object without interacting with it. Thus, its state is always in flux do to the interaction.

   When we observe something by proxy, such as looking at astronomical bodies and the gravitational effect other objects have on them, the radiation we are seeing has to physically hit us for us to see it. That radiation leaving a system has an effect, just like adding energy to a system has physical effects. The gravitational pull has to move the object in order for the effect to be noticeable. Change is necessary for us to observe. So of course observing will change the outcome, how can you observe the object without interacting with it? If a particle exists, with no charge or mass, how would we know it even exists? If we can't touch it, and it has no effect on the physical world around it… it may as well not exist!

   So what on earth are these people talking about when they say the object's state is not final until we observe it? This is the same issue with measuring a temperature of absolute zero. Theoretically we know it should be possible, but any measuring device we use must interact with the substance in order to confirm it's temperature, and in so doing, it will impart energy into the system, thus lifting the energy level of the sample above absolute zero. This mechanical limitation does not mean that absolute zero does not exist, it simply prevents us from observing it.

4. Stephen Hawking is looking better than I expected

5. consciousness is always there. physical bodies die as even planets and stars do. but each life or soul is a neverending thing that leaves one physical body for another when the residing one ends it time. so consciousness is always there which create memory

6. When we say 'My eyes' who is it that says 'My'? If the consciousness were integral with the mind it would just say 'Eyes' but there is an ownership to 'My body' This is 'My' body' ..so who owns it? This is the self, the living person that you were before you were given a name. That person looks through the eyes and sees everything going on, not the ego, not the name, but the life that is inside, the part of us that IS human, otherwise we would just be an automaton, without that life that comes with every breath we are just a bunch of chemicals and when that last breath is gone we return to dust, but that life goes on, where?..back to it's source, the infinite ocean that is the one consciousness that makes everything happen. I say this from my experience not a theory or religion.

7. I think the brain holds a quantum circuit of a sort. The biological electricity has to first cross either to the other half of the body or the other side of the brain, and I believe that “crossing” of the circuit happens in that large central crevice in the brain. Where synapses/circuits are farther or furthest apart.

   Now what does information do in a void? It becomes uncertain. I mean just look at a video games server connection lagging (a situation where the signal/packets are continuously lost or blocked) the objects that were moving would rubber band back and forth from the last known location.

   If particles are inherently more certain when under observation (where there is more information being generated by our brain/vision) then when we look away that certainty is lost by all of the unconsciously developed information we received from the certainty of the information in the past instance. Information was certain and then uncertain (NOT the object)

   If we are just some kind of receivers for the signal of consciousness and that signal was designed by a computer/the computer, then yes. Consciousness is computational, but not just of traditional computation. Consciousness would more likely be around the “level” of quantum computing. For quantum behavior is where our observations of certainty end as if our information receivers can’t comprehend or PHYSICALLY interact with wavelengths that simple/femtoscopic.

8. Is it a tri-force of connections or is it a blanketed chem-induced quantum reactions!?🤔 The world may never know 🤣🤦🤷

9. The purpose of intelligence is to serve life. Intelligence by itself is not life. AI has no will power. It has not motivation. That is why AI is dead and it's why uploading your brain doesn't work.

10. Genuess=genuine consciousness.

11. Define consciousness? Would you define the GPT-3 AI as being conscious? Or would you say that it can't be, because it's not alive? It sure does seem to be conscious. And maybe that's all what consciousness is, an illusion. Something that seems, rather than is. Something culminating out of all these thiny microprocesses that are constantly going on. Kind of like how gravity (as we currently understand it) is not a force in itself, but an emergent property.

12. Roger: Consciousness is not a computation.
    Lex The Robot: That does not compute.

13. An individual is not aware. Proof: An ordinary mirror works by sending electrical currents over its surface to construct an exact but 2D rendering of its environment. If a person stands in front of a mirror and talks about why their individual awareness is a fact, within the mirror electrical currents move their mouth so that the mouth in the mirror talks. Hence, electrical currents can move in a way that explains at length the mechanism of subjective experiences and awareness in words, without the electrical currents being aware.

14. So no robots with souls XD?

15. It kinda is. Your brain is what creates your reality. You can only see hear smell and touch to the limit if your brain. The brain is computing 400 billion bytes if info a sec.

16. How can he be so sure?

17. why pervert quantum mechanics with gravity? He's on a dead end, and will lead to pseudo science of no value. I shut the video off there…

18. He looks evil!

19. If consciousness has physical properties there must be a method that requires computation to understand its function

20. "I have no idea, so I wrote this book"

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