Does AI need consciousness? | Demis Hassabis and Lex Fridman

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1. Imagine robots with an biological brain

2. It's becoming clear that with all the brain and consciousness theories out there, the proof will be in the pudding. By this I mean, can any particular theory be used to create a human adult level conscious machine. My bet is on the late Gerald Edelman's Extended Theory of Neuronal Group Selection. The lead group in robotics based on this theory is the Neurorobotics Lab at UC at Irvine. Dr. Edelman distinguished between primary consciousness, which came first in evolution, and that humans share with other conscious animals, and higher order consciousness, which came to only humans with the acquisition of language. A machine with primary consciousness will probably have to come first.

   The thing I find special about the TNGS is the Darwin series of automata created at the Neurosciences Institute by Dr. Edelman and his colleagues in the 1990's and 2000's. These machines perform in the real world, not in a restricted simulated world, and display convincing physical behavior indicative of higher psychological functions necessary for consciousness, such as perceptual categorization, memory, and learning. They are based on realistic models of the parts of the biological brain that the theory claims subserve these functions. The extended TNGS allows for the emergence of consciousness based only on further evolutionary development of the brain areas responsible for these functions, in a parsimonious way. No other research I've encountered is anywhere near as convincing.

   I post because on almost every video and article about the brain and consciousness that I encounter, the attitude seems to be that we still know next to nothing about how the brain and consciousness work; that there's lots of data but no unifying theory. I believe the extended TNGS is that theory. My motivation is to keep that theory in front of the public. And obviously, I consider it the route to a truly conscious machine, primary and higher-order.

   My advice to people who want to create a conscious machine is to seriously ground themselves in the extended TNGS and the Darwin automata first, and proceed from there, by applying to Jeff Krichmar's lab at UC Irvine, possibly. Dr. Edelman's roadmap to a conscious machine is at https://arxiv.org/abs/2105.10461

3. Okay, you guys are missing something; the dog can learn to run and jump and perform amazing feats of dexterity and navigation. Its limited brain with slow arse neurons can somehow get training without the help of a huge data center. So what does that mean? It means within a few months its neural network can be trained without careful supervised learning. There are some fundamental things modern neural networks have wrong that have zero to do with performance. Some important principles: a) Local learning (aka Hebbian). b) Feedback. c) Inhibitory Synapses.

4. 2:00 that is incorrect, current AI is just the product of human logic and has nothing to do with self concept and consciousness type one "I have wrote a lot about that, mostly stolen and polluted by the thief apes" , there is a way to improve AI dramatically, I will leave that for future generations "hopefully real rational intelligent entities not just a thief apes similar to their ancestors"!

5. I have wrote about that before: why Cows for instance have so big breasts ?! that will hinder them from running away of their expected predators.
   did the cows did that by chance? the extra milk is for the apes to offer them food and protection in return?! you can apply the same approach on other animals and plants, … there were more details, ….
   I have wrote more details about that dialog in the apes little minds and how that works too, in more details (both hemispheres of the brain and conscious process), ….

6. there is a process of generating logic, what is in the current AI is just human logic, Intelligence process is complex process, hard to go further anymore, let the thief apes figure that out, they think that human thoughts come from the sky (revelations similar to what happened with some senile thief apes lately) not a process and …. !

7. you can find that on closer to truth YouTube channel (deleted or hidden for theft purposes): current so called AI is the product of human logic, humans generate logic through complex process, already I have wrote about that process before.
   it is hard to go further anymore because the thief apes are lurking their.
   there are more details about consciousness type one and type two, many thief apes have stolen what I have wrote before, part of them were your guests lately, they use thievery as patching techniques to hide their theft crimes and pollute human logic (exactly like apes)
   in some cases they use blunt thievery such as this she-goat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFxArff3Jxg they have no morals, no minds no principles, … etc like humans !
   the thief apes have stolen everything including what I have wrote about space, time, gravity, …. etc.
   the only thing the thief apes left are comments those show them their bitter reality.

8. I dont think anyone solved it.. think about it. Think about other civilizations. How many type 2 civilization are there ?? How come we dont see these AI robots civilizAtions ,

9. Just a thought, in my mind consciousness is the foundation on which true general intelligence is built. To say otherwise it’s just hubris🤔IMO

10. Conscious awareness the two words should be separated for even a worm could be conscious but not aware. Pure instinct but yet conscious but not aware or understand.

11. We don't even know what consciousness is

12. No 👀 🙁

    But I want it 😠

    – A.I.

13. Sir Roger Penrose said: "consciousness is not computational".

    And I agree with him! Therefore a computer will never be conscious BECAUSE everything a computer do is executing a series of well-defined instructions = an algorithm! 🤔

14. Only life is capable of being conscious. AI might simulate it to some degree but it'll never be conscious unless the next generation of computer has the brain of an aborted foetus at its heart.

15. First thing first: Demis Hassabis and Lex Fridman, please define consciousness?

    People have debated – still are – on this topic for decades and still, no definite answer. We simply don't know what consciousness is and what make it tick…

    Moreover, ask one hundred people what intelligence is and you'll probably get 100 responses.

16. What happens when a conscious AI is restarting and it has a wild nightmare and ends up ending us all? 😳😬

17. If only we would somehow get the human consciousness arisen in a bit larger audience.

18. Thumbnail game on point as always.Exmachina is captivating.

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