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RECORDED ON NOVEMBER 17th 2023.
Dr. Anil Seth is Professor of Cognitive and Computational Neuroscience at the University of Sussex, where he is also Director of the Sussex Centre for Consciousness Science. He is also Co-Director of the Canadian Institute for Advanced Research (CIFAR) Program on Brain, Mind, and Consciousness, and of the Leverhulme Doctoral Scholarship Programme: From Sensation and Perception to Awareness. He is also an Engagement Fellow with the Wellcome Trust. He is the author of several books, the latest one being Being You: A New Science of Consciousness.
In this episode, we focus on Being You. We start by discussing what consciousness is, and how to study it scientifically. We talk about what consciousness is good for. We address the recent “controversy” surrounding Integrated Information Theory of Consciousness, and discuss how science is done. We talk about the idea of the brain as a prediction machine, how perception works, and how objective reality relates to perception. We discuss the notion of “self”. Finally, we talk about what we know about non-human animal consciousness, and whether machines can become conscious.
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00:00 Intro
00:40 What consciousness is, and how to study it
11:33 What is consciousness good for?
19:16 The Integrated Information Theory of Consciousness “controversy”, and how science is done
29:53 The relation between what is conscious and what happens unconsciously in the mind
33:20 The brain as a prediction machine, and how perception works
37:42 How objective reality related to perception
40:37 The “self”
44:07 Non-human animal consciousness
48:36 Can machines become conscious?
55:31 Follow Dr. Seth’s work!
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I love his book.
Thank you, great stuff. Being You is the most sensible book on consciousness I've read. When I listen to Anil Seth I find his view compelling – by understanding the way the brain constructs our experience the Hard Problem will eventually be dissolved. The question of whether consciousness has causal power has baffled me for years and I'd become quite convinced by epiphenomenalism…but at 15:10 Prof Seth dissolves this problem this elegantly.
However, I think that the Hard Problem is a much tougher cookie and I still worry that it may be impossible, in principle, to explain first person experience by describing physical processes from a third person perspective. Even so, taking Prof Seth's approach, we'll surely gain greater insight into ourselves than by trying to ignore consciousness (illusionism), postulating its fundamental nature (panpsychism), or giving up entirely (mysterianism).
what if so-called UAP phenomenon is real phenomenon?! what if the dominant irrationals cover the phenomenon up because of new-old religion?! what if the phenomenon is related to highly advanced technology that belongs to intelligent alien entities?! it’s a very old phenomenon that goes back to thousands of years ago! what if the faked gods of the irrationals are real but not gods?! they target the top of the pyramids of the irrationals since thousands of years ago to keep the phenomenon hidden (tools)?! what if they can believe in miracles but they can’t face their bitter reality ?! isn’t that possible too?!
Why do Israelis and Palestinians kill each other?! Israel was recently founded on a religious basis (the Jewish state), and it has absolute influence in some countries, where Israel’s interest becomes above the interest of those countries. Religion still plays a pivotal role at the top of the pyramids, doesn't it?! If religion has a pivotal role at the tops of the pyramids of irrationalists, then why do we deny it at the lower level?! People still kill each other because of religions, right?! Of course, the reason is not absolutely religious, for some it is a matter of homeland and existence, but still the main driver is religion and the source of religion is the alleged gods! There are contradictions! Religion is still the main driver, and at the same time they deny its pivotal role!
very likely space is one indivisible unit and fine structure constant is a signature of maintaining space as one indivisible unit, it’s hard to make sure of that (100 % accuracy) right now, future generations have to connect both levels (subatomic and cosmological levels) firstly. but what I am sure about is that this universe (cycle one) is built within cycle two (existence itself), there are highly advanced coding systems behind this universe and life related to cycle two not to cycle one. it’s not as mentioned in religions: gods, souls,…etc. one unit of space means that what mentioned in religions is wrong and misleading (purposely). it’s an advanced coding system behind this universe (governed by science and only science). this too must reach future generations clean (intact). religions played a main role in misleading mankind and keeping them irrational entities. nothing would come into existence without science whatsoever. I never built my own thoughts based on religions or the thoughts of others at all, but some similarities with religions means that there are those who manipulated mankind purposely.
Science needs morals, human values, principles, and mind. What can immoral thieves add to science?! Quite the contrary, they impose science to real danger. with the lack of morals, values, principles and minds to maintain them Science is in real danger and mentality of cheating, stealing, …. etc will become dominant and that will destroy science (that already took place among the dominant gangs ).
Science is a matter of mind, morals, values and principles it’s not a matter of choice, challenge, mentality of gangs,….etc!
perception doesn’t work independently and miraculously! humans and other animals do many calculations that includes dimensions, then consciousness type one works on so-called sensory perception (they already passed through first process). they made myths, delusions, …. etc what is written in psychology is full of mistakes, myths, nonsense (they built faked imaginary realm and work hard to maintain it for the interests of a specific group). they mixed things up and built gangs. they worked on erasing human traces in an organised systematic way (groups worked on refuting human thoughts and at the same time other groups worked on stealing and polluting human thoughts, both of them agreed upon erasing human traces).
Conscious Action explained
Based on the information they capture with their senses, living beings with brains manage a utilitarian mental representation of the conditions that currently take place in their relevant material environment. This Mental Correlate is a kind of “photograph” of what is happening in the Present in the relevant material environment of the Individual, a Mental Correlate that we will call “Reality of the Individual”.
Life experience, stored in the brain, allows us to give meaning to what is perceived. At the same time, as Pavlov demonstrated, life experience allows us to project eventual future states of the individual's relevant environment, generating expectations of action.
Information from the Past, the Present and an eventual Future is managed by the brain. It is evident that the brain makes a utilitarian distinction between the Past, the Present and the projection of an eventual future.
Human language allows us to incorporate into the mental correlate events and entities that are not necessarily part of what happens in the world of matter, which gives an unprecedented “malleability” to the Reality of the Individual. For the unconscious, everything is happening in the Present. When a child, whom I will call Pedrito, listens to the story of Little Red Riding Hood, said entity is integrated into the Reality of the Individual. In turn, for the child, this entity is “very real”; he does not need his eyes to see it to incorporate it into his mental correlate of the relevant environment. Thanks to our particular language, authentic “immaterial and timeless worlds” have a place in the Mental Correlate of the relevant environment.
In the first four years of life, the child is immersed in an ocean of words, a cascade of sounds and meanings. At this stage, a child hears between seven thousand and twenty-five thousand words a day, a barrage of information. Many of these words speak of events that occur in the present, in the material world, but others cross the boundaries of time and space. There is no impediment so that, when the words do not find their echo in what is happening at that moment in Pedrito's material environment, these words become threads that weave a segment of the tapestry of the Reality of the Individual.
Just as the child's brain grants existence to the young Little Red Riding Hood when the story unfolds before him, similarly, when the voices around him talk about tomorrow and a beach with Pedro, as happens for example when his mother tells him says:
“Pedrito, tomorrow we will go for a walk to the beach”the child's mind, still in the process of deciphering the mysteries of time, instantly conjures the entity Pedrito, with his feet on the golden sand, in the eternal present of childhood.Although over time a strong association between the entity Pedrito and his body is established in the child's brain, a total fusion between said entity and the child's body can never take place, since for the Unconscious the bodily actions of Pedrito They only take place in the Present, while the entity Pedrito is able to carry out actions in authentic timeless and immaterial worlds. The entity Pedrito is what we call the Being, and we know its action as Conscious Action.
51:00 that was written on Skeptic YouTube channel.
AI machines are not conscious entities, simply consciousness type one can’t emerge miraculously!
It needs a very advanced science!
the destructive irrational meanness is something very dirty, and vicious, there’s a huge difference between constructive human intelligence and the destructive irrational meanness. only humanity and the constructive human intelligence can build human civilisation.
All animals that sleep have a level of consciousness type one (why would animals sleep?! They hat does sleep mean?!)
Future generations must improve their metabolism and get out of the current food chain.
It’s a systematic collective theft (I have noticed that from the beginning, the way they were erasing human traces on closer to truth YouTube channel), but I had to take the risk only for the sake of future generations.
45:50 self concept is one of the most advanced coding systems in existence itself, it generates both consciousness type one and personal identity, no one can challenge human mind (impossible), even if they collected all the brains of the irrational apes in one gigantic brain of one irrational ape and asked their gods help.
Human only wrote for the sake of future generations of mankind only, human is not interested in arguing the irrational apes at all.
It’s only out of the responsibility of human towards his kind (future generations of mankind only).
They will need all that clean (intact) to survive.
but their plan to erase human traces and attributing human thoughts to the sick irrational thief apes is so dangerous on future generations(human thoughts have origin and different thinking process), they can attribute human thoughts to the unknown (or just human), instead of depriving future generations of their rights (I wrote only for them).
That was collective theft, they agreed to leave that aside but at the same time they delete human traces and attributing human thoughts to an irrational thief apes (criminal mentality of the irrational thief apes)!
No morals, no values, no principles and no minds to maintain them!
43:00 they have read all human thoughts (100 % correct), take it from human.
One of them (woman) has collected all human thoughts in psychology in one book, she used YouTube scrapers to collect all I have written to attribute them to herself and someone else!
that was Concurrently with many other thieves.
But all of them agreed upon erasing human traces after stealing and polluting them.
While human was writing for the sake of future generations they were busy with stealing and polluting human traces and they worked collectively to hide human traces!
Planet of the irrational thief apes is planet of endless wonders!
42:45 it’s a process!
Listen carefully 42:25 he Deduced that from human thoughts (now they are not the same as before).
42:00 He talks about human thoughts and works on mixing them with others thoughts purposely (hiding human traces).
But human thoughts have nothing to do with dicart or religion or anyone else. Human thoughts are pure (out of pure human thinking process).
This material world (cycle one) is built within cycle two (existence itself), that’s completely different (everything is governed by science and only science), some scientific problems could take up to hundreds of years because they need more advanced science and real rational intelligent human entities, not because they are impossible or have to do with the faked imaginary gods!
49:50 They work to preserve the imaginary world that they have built, fearing for their personal interests, such as research funds, etc., without any real interest in science or humanity.
40:00 that’s wrong!
They can’t recognise what is behind perception process!
Humans make very sophisticated calculations In conjunction with the perception process, you calculate dimensions unknowingly,….etc
It’s ha d to go into details here but that already mentioned before in more details (how can animals refrain from passing through narrow hole or corridor or …, etc they do calculations unknowingly,…..etc)
Yeah, the hawk, how it hunts,….etc
38:10 how can the brain generates meaningful information from the data it collects without processing it in the brain?!
Of course it’s the simulated image of the environment itself, It may be distorted as a defect in the process of sight or hearing or a defect in the cognitive process itself, but in the normal situation it is an image identical to the reality of the surrounding environment, otherwise human would not be able to survive! Is that new too?! I thought that was obvious (goes without saying)! it became a discovery!
35:30 there’s a process of collecting sensory information, they call it perception but they mix the function of perception with the function of consciousness! similarly they invented unnecessary terms (they mixed things up badly)!
27:20 he talks about physics too ! There’s a huge problem with current physics, it reached its limits because it contains mistakes and because of the lack of deep understanding of the fundamentals of physics, singularity!
26:00 consciousness type one is a process that requires the brain, it’s not in the cloud 🌧!
It’s a process that governed by science and only science (nothing would come into existence without science whatsoever).
but the weird part is that they can’t recognise what does deciphering they mystery of consciousness type one means!
It’s not only the most important mystery because of it’s very sophisticated! (Deciphering the mystery of both gravity and consciousness type one will change human history forever, far more radical change than the differences between humans from Stone Age and current humans), of course future generations will decipher gravity before consciousness type one).
19:00 if they don’t know what consciousness is then how can they measure consciousness type one?!
Isn’t that weird?! It’s not a liquid or gas or solid thing!
consciousness type one is a process and connected directly to personal identity, can they separate consciousness type one from personal identity?!
They even don’t know that too !
By the way, he is very weak mentally, and he has nothing to add. They use him as a media tool, but the media does not create minds, it creates illusions!
15:30 both consciousness type one and personal identity are generated by self concept (that is 100 % correct)
It’s impossible to challenge human mind (future generations will know that no doubt).
It’s not important what they think or want (that has no value at all), what’s important is that human thoughts reach future generations intact (clean), that’s very essential for them to survive (no exaggeration at all).
14:40 conscious perception! I think this new, because they were separating perception from consciousness type one!
Consciousness type two is behind reflex or autonomous reactions (mostly and sometimes mixture similar to so-called vivid dreams), it’s what you are using during dreams (how do you recognise dreams without consciousness type one?! just miraculously?!).
Consciousness type two is behind a very sophisticated processes such as archery, gun shooting, driving,….. etc, that has to do with cerebellum, that could reach perfection ,….etc).
124:20 that’s wrong too, that has nothing to do with consciousness type one, They cannot distinguish the line between consciousness of type one and type two (consciousness type two interferes during a specific situations such as panic,…. etc), but in general that has nothing to do with consciousness type one directly (it’s just a tool)
so-called Zombies could exist, but not like Zombies in movies! Zombies lack the essential characteristics of humans such as humanity, morals, human values, empathy,…etc
but at the same time they can recognise (they have consciousness type one).
3:00 that’s completely wrong, first of all they can’t differentiate between consciousness type one and type two, secondly consciousness type one is just a small part of what he talks about !
they mix things up, don’t understand and exaggerate a lot!
2:30 he makes some progress lately!
Consciousness type one is just a tool to recognise the inner and outer worlds (all can know what recognition is, it’s the tool that you are using right now to recognise this text), but the mechanism of consciousness type one could take up to 2000 years to come, current mathematics and physics are not enough at all, in addition to that it needs real rational intelligent human entities, cooperation, continuous scientific hard work, stability,….etc.
Notice that he focuses mainly on self concept (very similar to Susan Blackmore), of course that has a specific reason, you can’t understand without watching what they were saying 3-4 years ago.
This was one of the first persons who knew about human thoughts, and he cooperated with Susan Blackmore and others directly or indirectly, trying to refute what I wrote, and they became in a state of severe denial (their talks cantered on denial of the existence of self concept ). But despite all that, they deserve respect because they did not steal and pollute human thoughts, even though they were part of the attempt to hide his traces.