Cinemasins is a hugely popular channel about movies, but is it a model for critics everywhere?
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fna, i was gonna bring up tim and eric before you mentioned dark place
i like cinema sins. i try to look at a work of fiction is best examined from as many povs as possible. it adds to my enjoyment anyway. i think maybe cartoon conspiracy theories are the future of criticism. i told this to my son and he asserted they are just an undeveloped form of fanfic. what do you think?
Your girlfriend's parents must be fucking wadded
I think this topic should 've revisited.
Criticism can only be called criticism if the opinion express is an accurate description of the feelings of the critic.
Enough evidence has been presented to question if Cinema Sins is accurately reflecting their opinion.
I just really feel this is obviously wrong, but I don't really have the toolkit to show it in this sort of philosophical context. I'll try an give it from a "lay" context (well, the context of someone who loves films and enjoys good criticism).
The idea that a critic points out qualities of a film, and explains why they think that is bad (so, "V" and "R") seems pretty good to me. I pretty much agree that the "N" part is iffy, and often just a terrible inclusion / idea that doesn't really work.
BUT – I think this is what "regular" good reviews are. The reviewer explains a film, and why they liked those qualities. They have "V" and "R". Now, CinemaSins ALSO has the "V", for sure… and they sometimes give an "R"… but they are just shit. Sometimes, they point out things that are simply factually incorrect. Other times, they just give reasons that are extremely spurious and shitty. You could probably argue that all reasons are equally "valid"… but come on… CinemaSins is just very bad.
So, I think at the VERY LEAST, CinemaSins aren't really specifically a good example of this type of criticism – they don't really apply to this idea more than the average critic. But furthermore, I just think they are garbage.
“Is CinemaSins the Future of Criticism?” I sure as hell hope not
CinemaSins doesn't actually watch everything they "review" and they admit that they make sins up here and there.
Lying is harder than telling the truth because lying requires your brain to recall the truth and invent new information that contradiction that in the way you desire, which telling the truth requires you to just recall the truth.
The comments about MovieBob didn't age well, did they
Except CinemaSins is full of falsehoods and incorrect information about the works they're trying to … display information about. If you're terrible at observing and absorbing facts then you're not going to be very useful as a reviewer.
No. No it isn't. There, just saved everyone thirteen minutes of their life.
Omg, Olly. You've grown in these 3 years!
wtf is Gamergate, no Im not gonna look it up. I think it will be something bad, because it suggests scandal because of its association to 'Watergate'. Hahaha it's bad by association in my eyes. I do this throughout my adventures. I don't have notifications for comments either, so dont even try telling me. You cant tell me nuthen!
The thing with Cinemasins is that they often falsify their own rules. There isn't a clear set of criteria by which they judge a work and it often gets muddled up with (possibly deliberate) misunderstandings and the occasional bout of sexism.
Our world has shrunk enough to realize that we live in a world where norms cannot be agreed upon. While many like Heinlein were hopeful that this scenario would lead to global open mindedness and the breakdown of tribalism, it seems to have made it easier to assume the norm equivalency if we the V/R match our own. Which is why many communities can be so against self criticism, if you voice an opinion counter to the group than your norms must be incompatible and so you are not a true member. CinemaSins is almost genius in this regard as there is no presumption of established norm and their opinions are so trivial and scattershot that almost anyone can feel that tribal affinity, its like the critic as demagogue.
You’re a baby in this !!!!
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OH GOD, IV GONE BACK TO FAR. WHERE IS HIS BEARD! WHERE IS IT!
also as for stilted and unrealistic dialogue being bad Garth Maregie is a perfect example as it introduces the notion of absurdity the dramatic (as oppose to comedic) example i would put forth that is quote-un-quote serious is the lobster and the killing of a sacred deer
EDIT: also your ending with the choice reminds me of Black Mirror: Bandersnatch i forgot to add
Why was this something you and Shaun complained about?
I LOVE cinemasins. I also love the movies they RIP apart. Usually me and the hubby will watch q movie, love it, and then watch the cinemasins for that movie all in the same time and on the same TV and it's a ton of fun. I don't think it's about the review. It's comedy. It's hilarious. I find myself emotionally engaged with whatever movie just like everyone else. I cry and laugh and feel connected to the characters and I love the story while I'm watching the movie. Then afterward I watch cinemasins and have the suspension of disbelief utterly shattered and laugh at the movie. It doesn't make me love the story any less. It doesn't disengage me emotionally from the characters. I even go back and rewatch the movie and still feel the rush and the heartbreak and the joy all over again. I just don't understand why we can't do both. And actually, I think we do all the time unknowingly without all this fuss. How much do you hate Sleeping Beauty? The story I mean. And more importantly, do you hate it because of Maleficent? We do this all the time. We watch satire of or dark reimaginings of beloved stories all the time without developing negative opinions about the original work. Cinemasins is just that. Satire. Comedy. I think there's a lot f parallels between what hey do to movies and what Monty Python does to the story of Camelot. Have you ceased to enjoy Arthur and the knights stories? Or are you comfortable enjoying them in different ways from different angles. That's what cinemasins is for me. They aren't telling me if a movie is good. They are using existing art and stories to create comedy.
8:19 absolutelynotme_irl
Oh dear. Sauvignon Blanc is the worst wine from New Zealand. I was travelling through one of the most expansive areas of Sauvignon Blanc vineyards with a Frenchman, and he was near weeping at the horror of wine being made with such an intensive factory farming mentality.
If you want a good New Zealand wine, try a Pinot Noir from the Central Otago region. Or, even better, forget the wine altogether, and try one of New Zealand's many incredibly good craft beers, because they are so much better than any wine from anywhere in the world.
6:46 Ooh, that Nostalgia Critic reference has not aged well.
Art criticism must always be contextual. Listing everything you think is bad is not criticism, particularly when something you think is bad is actually the artist’s choice. The best critics have a wide base of knowledge and understanding, not nitpicking.
I've never really considered them criticism and I don't think they do either. The point is that every movie has 'sins' or nitpicks and maybe you need to look past those faults and see the movie for what it is. Not perfect but still, maybe, fantastic.