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In the Dutch television show A Glorious Accident (1993) six scientists talk about their visions on their work and the world. Journalist Wim Kayzer asks them: how far did you come in your understanding of our thoughts an actions? What did science really bring us at the end of the 20th century: knowledge or also understanding? In The Coming Together all the scientist get together: The British neurologist Oliver Sacks, the British writer and biologist Rubert Shledrake, the American philosopher Daniel C. Dennett, the British philosopher Stephen Toulmin, the British physicist Freeman Dyson and the American paleontologist and evolutionary biologist Stephen Jay Gould. The talk about the question what science has brought humanity. Order the dvd-box of A Glorious Accident here: http://winkel.vpro.nl/een-schitterend-ongeluk/ In het tv-programma
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A Glorious Accident (7 of 7) Coming together: We wonder, ever wonder why we found us here
2:15:40 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetoreception
Further experiments with magnets attached to the backs of homing pigeons demonstrated that disruption of the bird's ability to sense the Earth's magnetic field leads to a loss of proper orientation behavior under overcast conditions.
Sheldrake manages to cover my entire list of wu-positive escape hatches. This is is inference from ignorance (alternative: inference from stuck). But "stuck" is just a fat tail, and I don't think we really are stuck on most issues. In other cases, the problems are very, very hard for reasons you can apprehend well enough in the first hour.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backpropagation
In 1993, Wan was the first to win an international pattern recognition contest through backpropagation.
Right while this talk was taking place. But this would mostly languish for another twenty years, as other parts of the puzzle came together (mostly a vastly larger scale of data and data processing).
And then one day, Go has fallen, fifteen years earlier than most experts predicted. Progress is a funny business, and even hindsight takes a long time to converge on 20-20.
why did they invite this rupert quack
I haven't watched this yet, only skipped through. BUT, Sheldrake talks circles around Dennet in that bit about right triangles.
Thanks for this.
Very good! … Watched the whole video, and some of the other parts, and picked up on something new I hadn't considered before.
16:00 … How is no one at the table aware of the actual intellectual history of the West… that reality is a Great Chain of Being, and the reason humans are here is because every possible being exists by necessity? Neoplatonists thought this, Aristotelians like Aquinas did, neoplatonic Medieval Muslims did, Descartes did, Leibniz did, Spinoza did, Rousseau did, Locke did, Kant did… Kant thought there were people, highly superior people, on Jupiter and Saturn… and conscious life throughout the universe. Here's a list of 18th c. intellectuals who endorsed the Great Chain: Addison, King, Bolingbroke, Pope, Haller, Thomson, Akenside, Buffon, Bonnet, Goldsmith, Diderot, Lambert, Herder, Schiller. -Arthur O. Lovejoy, The Great Chain of Being
this video should have started with the production team deciding which sandwiches they would like.
So frustrating to see only men by that table
I appreciated Dan's perspectives here. Of course that may be, because of the current technological time we live in w/AI expected to disrupt.
At 10:50 lmao Freeman, YOU were working on that research. Nearly all of science WAS NOT. LOL We have to remember Dyson is a JASON scientist who works at NNSS and related Contractors LOL Overwhelmingly science minus quantum mechanics, physics, etc; denies operatiomwith metaphysical and ancient-cultural aspects. Which of course is where quantum shines. These men don't have the access to LA, LLNL, NIF, NNSS, NASAA, etc like Dyson has and does. It's always fun to see QM dancing with Kaballah and related ancient metaphysical literature. Same analogy with AI and ML now. Too bad we haven't coerced them to share their knowledge with the public in OSINT to help provide a more capable population to work on it.
@ 12:31 there is a whole metric of science you 2019 humans are missing. You can start here. (Freeman & Rupert)
@ 13:33 Humans you are missing this piece in your current structure of QM and desperately need exploring here. —-Start with your own Sun's cycle of shedding etc; the "habits" of the Sun. The cyclical nature of Sunspots & SF including the 11yr cycle, and the changes it gave to the earth. Or the cyclical nature of the Earth having ages of ice, and ages of major flooding. Ages of catastrophe, and ages of climate change. Sadly, you all are limited in your scope so you are liable to think you're causing the earth's climate to heat when the sun itself puts earth through cycles of catastrophe. Nevertheless you should be working on type-1 living not just to work in sympatico with Earth; but to get your demented children out of the seats of power. You have allowed children to take over your inventions and work, and they use these inventions to play real-life battlefield. We will not allow you to take your type-0 war to the point of exterminating the entire solar system.
If only QM and Metaphysics could dance for a night. Sheldrake and Dyson are still kicking. It would behoove you to bring them together once more.
@ 14:24 The sun does has habits LMAO It doesn't necessarily mean it's not following laws like it must always be pulling the planets, or whatever entity that assigned it to have the characteristics of a solar-system provider of life, protection, movement, power, and guidance. If the sun decides to CME towards Mars with enough power; Mars' magnetosphere is bombarded by these rays causing Mars to change. That is a law, but the Sun doesn't do it, by our standards, very often. So by its standards, it works on a set of laws and habitual cycles of CMEs, Solar Flares, Heating and Cooling. Once again the microscopic purview of man ignores the true nature of reality.
You need to surmise to know nothing about nothing in the grand scale of the verse we live in. Not only are senses limited in this reality, the organization (lack therof) of man created fragmented research & principles due to the acting parties having an incomplete scope of human knowledge available, let alone cosmic understanding. With that, you can not surmount the galaxies(yet) with any actionable intelligence aside from everything accessible to us here. Before you go populating the galaxy, you're going to need to prove yourselves here. You haven't yet.
Also, don't get bogged down by the illusory material of metaphysical paradigms; they hold fertile fallacies you all cite.
19:27 It's probably both:
1.) Us discovering it
2.) Us constructing it to our reality.
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Now would be a time for you to study mycelial networks, but hopefully don't consume them😉 If you wish to have an answer for is there a Blueprint or is the reality working at random…
25:43 That's what Freeman and Rupert are there for 😉
26:45 be less like this, and more like Dyson.
Making baby steps 28:38
31:33 He's onto it ya'know; why we're here.
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Gould's eloquence is extraordinary
Just finishing with this final part of the whole series, and what a fantastic idea it was to interview each individually and then in the round. Why does content like this only have (at lwast in the case of this final part) a mere 203 likes? Mindboggling!
https://www.nytimes.com/1994/06/12/arts/television-six-smart-guys-sitting-around-talking.html
This was quite wonderful. It was truly interesting. Thank you!
High caliber interviewer by day, Bond villain by night. Exceptional round table talk here. Thanks for sharing.
Dutch TV is pretty impressive. A TV program in the Netherlands also hosted the infamous Chomsky-Foucault debate. I wonder if this is paid programming or funded by the government.
Who the eight people that dislike this?