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Conscious Reality: Unraveling the Mind | Swami Sarvapriyananda & Donald Hoffman



Vedanta Society of New York

All credits to @philosophybabble for this talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S57DSgRWBRM&t=2s

We are honoured to have Prof. Donald Hoffman, a distinguished cognitive psychologist and professor at the University of California, Irvine, renowned for his pioneering work on consciousness, visual perception, and evolutionary psychology. Alongside him, we have the insightful Resident Swami and head off the Vedanta Society of New York, Swami Sarvapriyananda, known for imparting the profound wisdom of Vedanta to audiences worldwide.

Summary:
In “The Great Minds Series: Conscious Reality,” we navigate an enlightening dialogue where Prof. Hoffman and Swami Ji merge the profound teachings of Advaita with the frontiers of modern science. They begin by sharing personal journeys that have shaped their views on philosophy and consciousness, emphasizing the need for mathematical precision in understanding consciousness and the philosophical depth of the Vedas. Discussions range from skepticism about our sensory ‘Headset’ to interpreting non-duality and the symbolism of perception in Advaita. Prof. Hoffman reveals transformative experiences that have redefined his theories, while the conversation also tackles the differentiation between reality and perception, the intersection of spirituality and science, and the completeness of inquiries into reality. Incorporating Isaac Asimov’s narratives and debates on physicality versus illusion, the episode culminates in a rich discourse on foundational philosophical issues and the nuances of Emergence, Complexity, and wave function collapse. Join us as we unravel these intricate topics, each moment delving deeper into the essence of being.

Timecodes:

00:00 – Intro
01:58 – Both reveal how their individual experiences and contemplative insights have guided them to their present views in philosophy and science.
07:36 – Interpreting consciousness necessitates mathematical precision.
11:52 – The range of ideas and philosophies contained within the Vedas.
24:05 – A candid moment where Don expresses polite skepticism
33:08 – Swami Ji could see the ‘Headset’ as a symbol for how the mind filters reality, akin to Advaita’s view of perception.
37:29 – Pointers merely indicate; they aren’t the reality itself.
50:12 – Our ‘Headset’ is extremely dull!
01:00:39 – There are various pointers, and non-duality is one such pointer.
01:11:50 – Your body is merely your avatar.
01:33:22 – Prof. Hoffman has experienced reflective moments leading him to re-evaluate his perspectives on consciousness, which have influenced the evolution of his theories.
01:36:05 – How do you differentiate between what’s objectively ‘real’ and out perceptions of reality?
01:44:33 – Where do the paths of spirituality and science intersect?
01:46:18 – When does an inquiry reach its conclusion?
01:47:58 – The discussion turns to the concept of incompleteness in understanding reality.
01:51:14 – A brief explanation of Stationary Markov Chains in context.
01:54:03 – Swami Ji retell Isaac Asimov’s “The Last Question” by weaving it into a narrative that aligns with our conversation.
01:55:02 – A debate on the implications of bodily harm in the context of illusion and reality.
02:02:58 – Vinod suggests addressing foundational issues in philosophy to build a robust argument.
02:06:57 – Andy offers a counterpoint on the ideas of Emergence and Complexity.
02:14:57 – Unpacking the concept of Two Levels of Truth.
02:20:25 – Exploring arguments for wave function collapse and possible philosophical interpretations.

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49 thoughts on “Conscious Reality: Unraveling the Mind | Swami Sarvapriyananda & Donald Hoffman
  1. matter(Sava/world) is manifestation of consciousness(energy/chith) .
    Both are inspirable. Both exists beyond the scope of time, place, person.

    All above words always fail to explain what is God/Brahman as words are not enough to describe God/Brahman.

  2. This is a very enjoyable conversation. I did not realize that the swami and Professor Hoffman were this close in their world views. There was one concept that I didn't feel was sufficiently addressed at least one hour and 20 minutes into the discussion. The swami and professor Hoffman both seem to agree on non-dual consciousness being the underlying ground of reality and also seem to generally agree with the properties and behavior of that non-dual consciousness might be. Professor Hoffman also often refers to space time and what is inside space time and what is outside space time. I believe there was agreement between him and the swami that non-dual consciousness was outside space time. However, Professor Hoffman frequently refers to conscious agents plural as being outside space time. This raises the question to me as to whether there are aspects of the projection of non-dual consciousness into the world of forms that would also technically be outside of space time but not equivalent to the absolute ground of reality. It would seem to me that space time refers to the universe at the point at which physical matter or at least the forces of physics come into being. However, the metaphysics of Vedanta describes various subtle layers between ultimate reality and the physical world. Perhaps it is the case that these multiple conscious agents appear in one of these subtle layers as an early projection of non-dual consciousness before the laws of physics or matter itself emerge. This might be equivalent to the platonic realm. The platonic realm is generally considered to be a non-material realm that is prior to the material realm. And the forms in that realm are not non-dual. They are multiple and arguably conscious and intentional. From a spiritual perspective, these might be the first emanations of God that build the manifest world. Perhaps this is what is represented metaphorically by Hindu or Greek deities and perhaps the Elohim of the Bible.

  3. Ohhhh Men …. The Best prolific and profound discussion , now I understand more clearly what can the science at its highest and spirituality at its highest do to each other and to humans for happiness!!

  4. Индус, хватит болтать. Ты не ученый. Ты ничего не сделал для прогресса. Наоборот, ты его тормозил своими религиозными сказками. Если ты един с миром, почему ты не можешь даже зеать моего имени? Все. Хватит сказок

  5. Donald Hoffman picked up all the ideas and nuisances from Advait Vedanta and other Hindu scriptures and never ever acknowledged the source. there is nothing new he is saying. It is strange that Swami Sarvapriyananda is discussing the same with this man instead of confronting him for appropriating our vedic knowledge. These western so called scientist declare our knowledge system as mystic and superstitious but appropriate the same in the name of science and return us back in the name of science, and we foolish Indians feel awestruck by western new innovations. Dr Rajeev Malhotra gives it a very good name – U TURN THEORY

  6. Thank you Swami. If spirituality is to continue we have to take this path. I’d be so lost without you. May that which we all bring you long life and health. 🙏🙏🙏

  7. I appreciate Don here a lot, it takes humility to be open minded and this has bee an absolute pleasure listening to him and Swamiji as always is such a great communicator.

  8. The Ecstatic State determines the brain chemistry,

    Spirit is the true home of the Soul,

    The Macrocosm secretes the Microcosm,

    Turiya and the Dreamless State, being suspended over the Void. . .

    is bringing home the Dimension of Art, the Alchemy of the Thrice Born . . .Mercury.

  9. Causal or logical???? Logical is causal…I did not understand anything what's Hoffman said. I am sorry!! Why does non dual reality creates suffering and suffers itself is an invalid question. Again Hoffman is jumping from absolute level to causal level. Such hotchpotch!

  10. 00:11 Exploration of Conscious Reality
    02:47 Seeking to understand consciousness from scientific and religious perspectives.
    07:35 Unconscious ingredients cannot boot up consciousness, triggering a scientific revolution.
    09:57 Scientific theory integrating science and spirituality
    14:48 We are not the body or the breath, but the conscious self
    16:58 In Indian philosophy, the mind is considered an object and the experiencer is the subject.
    21:05 Consciousness is a fundamental reality of the world
    23:05 SpaceTime may not be the fundamental reality according to theoretical physicists.
    27:04 Consciousness as the next fundamental reality beyond SpaceTime
    29:01 Mathematically describing consciousness and its observation by other consciousnesses.
    33:11 Ultimate Reality is all-pervasive, eternal, and non-object
    35:15 Religion claims must be subjected to rigorous scientific tests.
    39:17 Mathematics points to the unity of conscious agents.
    41:24 Philosophies as pointers, not absolute truth
    45:10 Reality is beyond any particular description, and perspective is useful for some things but not others.
    47:17 Evolutionary theory suggests SpaceTime isn't fundamental
    51:10 Ultimate Reality as Cosmic Mind
    53:28 Consciousness projects itself as a cosmic mind, including all of our minds.
    57:42 Consciousness as fundamental reality
    59:40 Probability space points to non-dual fundamental reality
    1:04:00 The limitations of reason in understanding unconditioned reality
    1:06:14 Ultimate Reality persists even in the destruction of the universe.
    1:10:19 Meditation can reveal Consciousness to itself
    1:12:26 The Ultimate Reality is the shining reality that shines forth in various ways.
    1:16:34 Developing a theory of consciousness outside of SpaceTime to make specific predictions inside SpaceTime.
    1:18:26 Projecting consciousness dynamics onto decorated permutations outside of SpaceTime.
    1:22:19 Scientific theories and spiritual insights are worth pursuing
    1:24:31 Modern philosophy of mind has struggled for 300 years in two conflicting categories.
    1:28:35 SpaceTime being doomed challenges current theories of consciousness.
    1:30:39 Neuroscience is just an interface projection of something far more complicated outside of SpaceTime.
    1:34:27 Differentiating between objective reality and our perceptions
    1:36:29 Criterion of Truth is non-cancelability
    1:40:28 Objects only exist when observed.
    1:42:12 Perception creates the distinction between public and private objects
    1:46:08 The ultimate reality is beyond concepts and language.
    1:48:23 Indian philosophy involves further refinements of central insights
    1:52:20 Consciousness and meditation lead to a first-person perspective
    1:54:37 Body is just an avatar, influenced by evolution and illusions.
    1:59:24 Distinction between illusion and reality in consciousness according to Swami Sarvapriyananda's anecdote
    2:01:09 Don't identify with your avatar in the game. Respect your body but disidentify when needed.
    2:04:34 Science shapes the world view of educated people, influencing acceptance of consciousness.
    2:06:26 Quantum mechanics relates to biology and geology, despite complexity.
    2:10:40 Serious physicists are exploring new structures outside of SpaceTime.
    2:12:31 The theories on conscious experiences fail to explain even one conscious experience.
    2:16:25 Science and philosophy have a history of cross talk and mutual influence.
    2:18:32 The necessity of Grace from Guru and God in spirituality
    2:22:43 Quantum mechanics needs an agent for description
    2:24:25 Quantum mechanics is a description of the lack of information in spacetime.
    2:28:24 Enlightened beings perceive deep sleep, death, and anesthesia as a presentation of nothing to Consciousness

  11. What I don't get is that is there were only one ego, and it woke up to its nature with the Buddha or others, then would that not have ended the maya for everyone, since it would have been revealed that there is no more egoity? What, if anything, changed by virtue of the first realizer, for the rest of humanity/egoity? Also, why can I enter dreams at night, but never during the day, if both are dreams?

  12. Question to whole team I’m the pure consciousness handover with super muscular computer that have 86 billion neurons and 100 trillion connections synapses. For example the electricity is the fuel to computer but operator is human and that operator for example knows nothing about the computer so just using his basic survival quality he somehow opens a video and he is very happy about that but there’s a lot of years of computer courses to gain mastery to it so how just consciousness I’m the pure consciousness will able to gain mastery with my complex brain is there any schools or years of courses about that or just survival is my reality 😢

  13. If mathematics is so limited that it can't define the taste of chocolate experience how could it describe consciosness? One is also a number. It is mathematical. It is an object. Everywhere, everytime. So it belongs to space and time. And so you can't describe the undescribable. Not even with math.
    On the Vedanta part: "eternal" and "everywhere" are still concepts of time and space. Also it is very popular to say that all religions point to the same point but it is not true as they were constructed by people mainly for political, control purposes. Relegions are further headsets.
    The explanation of the wrongness of the why question is on spot though! 😃
    Yes, non-dual consciousness is the fundamental. One can't describe this with matematics from the avatar level.

  14. It’s impressive how both, the scientist quickly came to the conclusion of what advaita says about non dual reality, and how swami understood the advanced scientific theory the scientist was talking about

  15. Regarding how we experience objects as separate, but Vedanta collapses object into subject so that you understand there's only one reality being experienced as subject and object…

    I think any theory on reality could be formulated to explain waking existence .. however, the bigger insight is if it has something to say about the paranormal.. like, physical mediumship (Franek Kluski, DD Home, Joseph of Cupertino, Katie the Gold Leaf Lady , Kathleen Goligher , Rudi Schneider, Ariel Farias , Rudi SchneiderKai Mügge , Eusapia Palladino, Scole Experiments, etc), Reincarnation, premonition, remote-viewing/astral-projection, etc.

  16. I found Vedanta by luck replaced by curiosity, Swami Sarvapriyananda 🙏eloquence is nectar to soul explained, my pedestrian Samadi experience (time was-is off clock in practice of Hatha yoga, meditation (Jon kabat Zin style).
    The Joy unparalleled, unexplainable, indescribable – unconditional LOVE x10, …
    Science is apart of experience, data, chart, crack the code, CONSCIOUSNESS is here. Will science feel? Will it, could it put into code feeling, the veil, fragile yet imperturbable effervescent expansive experience of … Unconditional Love, Nature, Presence of Devine oneness ..

  17. Great insights from both end.. we need to listen to more such cross talks to understand the deeper truth lying inside everything.. Thank you both of you for the wisdom you share with us ❤🙏 my sincere respect to both of you 😇😇🙏

  18. Self realized "Enlightened" Buddha", understood the entire universal phenomena on how conscious energies behave, designs with help of universal elements, which human six sensory aggregates perceptions , eye, ear, nose, tongue, body (touch), & mind feeling senses. call subjects physical universes as objects, amalgamate & generate to a energy which will produce a " thought" become a life energies ( kamma } as conscious in 31 realms of existence in this solar system. Within " qualities " of kamma (conscious ) energy forms. According to Lord Buddha, Human form is unique of all other forms, because of completed "Human Brain" which capable to enlightenment . In this very Human life. In Theravada Buddhism. 1000000 to one Second chance is very minimum and rare to gain a Human life. Factor of ." Kammic " phenomena Abhidhamma, Thrirpitaka, dipendent origination ( patichcha-samuppada ) scriptures explains in authentic Buddhas' teachings.

  19. Wonderful conversation,

    You are doing a great service towards Sanatana Dharma.

    Even I'm trying my bit to propagate the Sanskrit language through my Channel Samskrutam which would help learn simple Sanskrit words through English used in day to day life.

  20. When u are H2, you can see O2 and also H2O, within space and time you can see the birth and death of H2. O2 and H2O. If you are out of space and time everything becomes still and appears to be in equilibrium. Subject and Object split is within space and time out of it all that exists is only consciousness no start no end. You may call it God

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