Lex Fridman
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David Chalmers is a philosopher and cognitive scientist specializing in philosophy of mind, philosophy of language, and consciousness. He is perhaps best known for formulating the hard problem of consciousness which could be stated as “why does the feeling which accompanies awareness of sensory information exist at all?”
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I am. I don't need any data inputs from external environment to know that I exist. I exist in deep sleep even if I don't feel I exist. I don't die in deep sleep. I just exist. I am the universe and universe exists in me.
I think, therefore I am.
I am, therefore I think.
It's a Mobius thing. 😁
Any thing that has dna seems to be conscious,
To me, consciousness is a mental process that repeats over and over again. It attempts to answer 2 questions 1) What is going on? 2) What should I do? I'm fairly sure consciousness exists in all living creatures.
We borrow existence from consciousness. Consciousness was here before existence, it will continue long after our existence. It's been here all along. It's the one "thing" we possess that does not age, nor decays.
Acting as an "armchair philosopher," I view our individual subjective consciousness as "borrowed consciousness" from a vast ocean of consciousness. Just as we borrow matter & energy from the foods we eat, we borrow the breath that fills our lungs, eventually we will all have to pay the piper and return what we have borrowed. Our individual subjective consciousness will return to the vast ocean of consciousness, like how a water droplet returns to the sea. Plants, rocks, nonliving objects are "potentials" for consciousness. Given enough time, even a rock will become conscious. It will borrow consciousness when the basic requirements are met.
We don’t create babies. We don’t even know how to do it. Babies come from the fertilization process that produces the zygote at the start of the embryonic development. Our natural contribution to that complex and still poorly understood process is having sexual intercourse or doing IVF but in either case the female and male gametes must get together.
Having sexual intercourse is far from having the right to claim that we create babies. We create airplanes, submarines, cars, computers, robots, but not babies and not consciousness. As your guest said, we have a hard problem of consciousness to try figuring out. Not there yet. Let’s be careful how we express ideas and concepts.
All animals grow from virtually a dot, curled in a self-referential fetal position, hence what we call awareness or the existence of myself is the universe physically hugging you to this day, a semantics of real postures and poses not an imaginary internal brain activity.
The information of the mind would not be useful/functional if we knew everything all at once. Consciousness is just the high-level focus on the least compressed information of our existence. Too much information creates paralysis – evolutionarily, we need to function (take action) with the information we have in a time-dependent way. Consciousness is just the tip of the temporal information iceberg.
Consciousness is a death process of brain cells ; it's the opposite pole of life. The two go together ; life & death are intimately intertwined.
David Chalmers is a badass
should have gave him an option to answer "I don't know".. its ok lol. Would love to see what Dr. Amit Gonswami answer would be
Conciousness as we experience it is the partial summation of the great combining and dividing forces of all energy and existence in microcosm. Expressed up as reality/dimensions folds in upon itself as energy increases and becomes matter and vice versa creating abstraction and contrast. This creates a differentiation between matter and gives all energy specific form as it rises from zero point. Everything has conciousness to a degree.
It is nothing more than the computational process required to process abstract information into understandable solutions.
If you've ever passed out, the experience of regaining consciousness is really interesting to reflect on in terms of trying to understand what consciousness is. In my case, regaining consciousness wasn't really like a light switch was turned on and then suddenly I was fully conscious. It was more like consciousness emerged over the course of about 15 seconds (or so it seemed), almost like the brain had to reboot and reload all the programs. When I opened my eyes I saw faces looking down at me but I didn't really understand the concept of what a face is – like my brain hadn't loaded that program yet. Hard to explain, but fascinating. It makes me think that there really isn't some line between consciousness and not.
Conciousness is the most complex abstract concept i know.
Once you can disconnect from your thoughts and truly live in the present you have no fear and only joy and that’s because of the understanding that we are infinite and the physical is only a test or a game however you choose to look at it.
But Leo!!!
10:34…..
A biological computer is not aware. An animal is not aware. So, a logical proof in social media is the only way to be aware of that, which is why the problem is intriguing. Darwin’s individual animals are not each conscious. Darwin’s survival of the fittest (the animals here now belong here best) is an expression that applies to competing unconscious falling water and rock, so introducing consciousness to explain one of Darwin’s evolutionary steps is unnecessary and incorrect.
David Chalmers’ "qualia" explained as a Quantum computer, rather than with a Classical explanation and understanding, as follows. A Theory of Everything (TOE) should feature experimental proof that information in the form of the theory’s explanation of qualia is an example of the mechanism of qualia, otherwise there is no experimental proof. But then the information itself, not the experimenter, becomes aware during experiment as predicted in theory. Hence, the first result of the TOE is that there is no aware individual involved or needed in our experiments explaining consciousness.
What is Consciousness?
Consciousness is sufficiently demonstrating knowing (picturing) exactly how each of us looks. The ecosystem continually builds a mechanical family tree of individual experiences from only falling water and minerals, proving the ecosystem is subjective since it sufficiently demonstrates knowing (picturing) exactly how each of us looks and thinks.
Thanks for being willing to reach beyond your current knowledge and for exploring for us.
People think too much of consciousness, all we are is a biological computer. Its no big deal. If we made a computer with a nervous system it would basically be the same as a living thing. A human is a computer with a nervous system and we learn that certain things make us feel good others bad…. I dont get why people think theres a soul etc.
"We will never know the secrects of consciousnessthe soulreality because we (mankind) would corrupt it" [The teaching of The Qur'an]
What is Consciousness?
Consciousness is sufficiently demonstrating knowing (picturing) exactly how each of us looks. Therefore, the ecosystem is conscious since it demonstrates continually building a mechanical family tree of our vivid individual experiences from only raw materials.
Consciousness = 0 and knowing what this is = consciousness trying to understand 1,2,3,4,5 when the only thing there is, is 0 (hence not even a thing). Thing is an illusion. Besides that, theres infinite imagination or illusion/maya. Consciousness can imagin it´s a human being etc.
Lex is slurring boy wake up
Consciousness is a mystery. It is a part of our existence. The question is between whether only pain and feelings are the cause of consciousness.
9:30 to 11:20 he can only see living things on earth as being conscious, and not something like an atom. He assigns consciousness to a physical object that moves based on its own perception. If an atom finds itself in the circumstance of a certain event it reacts accordingly, like our own perceptions.
Consciousness is nothing until it's observed. Then it's everything.
Saw a tiny snip of Lex on Joe Rogan and he nailed it. Best episode… well – the one with Bob Lazaar was pretty crazy too.
20,000 views is criminally low for the quality of this conversation
"Alan Watts = The ortodox view"
…I like this guy
Science is the measurement of matter as experienced through consciousness, not of pure matter. All we can experience is consciousness of things, not things in of themselves. Something existing outside of consciousnesses is inconceivable, unimaginable, as all conception requires consciousness. In this sense consciousness is a fundamental, axiomatic dependency — even more so than mass and force.
0:25 "The kind of consciousness that I'm interested in is basically subjective experience. What it feels like from the inside to be a human being." — YES, me too. It's inextricably connected with the body, with organic life. It is so much more than a cerebral processing of stimuli. All our most powerful drives and longings come from the lizard brain: actual sensations and desires and instincts.