John Wheeler’s Controversial Claim that OBSERVERS CREATE REALITY | Amanda Gefter

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1. Main episode with Amanda Gefter (July 2024): https://youtu.be/yABPvDJ6Zgs?list=PLZ7ikzmc6zlN6E8KrxcYCWQIHg2tfkqvR
   Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e

2. How do you "create" a spacetime if any event – including any act of creation – happens within spacetime?

   If the notion of "creating reality" already has major issue with simple semantics then it's probably not very useful…

3. There must be an objective external reality for us to be able to correlate our observations.
   Why do you experience the same contents in a room as I do if we are creating the room?
   This is high school philosophy masquerading as profound.

4. It's interesting that she had that conversation, because Wheeler, in his book "Geons, Black Holes, and Quantum Foam: A Life in Physics", denies that he believed that, and said that people who had that interpretation of his work were wrong, and completely disassociated himself from them.

5. A woodwork teachers take on creating reality.
   My photography helps out to expalin Kant's transcendental aesthetics.
   https://youtu.be/RLktSElDnPg?si=EKcP0rbuLlbDqAwD

6. You wake up to find out you are the eyes of the world

7. An analogy I like to throw around is the participatory universe is like the blockchain. The blockchain needs verifiers(observers) to confirm the state of the network(reality), which is why everything else not observed is just a probability of what may occur.

8. John von Neumann , the smartest man to ever live also came to this conclusion. Also Hameroffs Orch-OR is gaining more traction proving non-local phenomenon wrt conciousness

9. John Wheeler's worm hole equation 137.036=(m*g*pm*g(p)*pm*g*m)*(1/137.036)/(e-)*g*(e+) =ER/EPR by self interact graviton g*m^2=137.036*(e-)=(k*e^2/e+)*(ch/2pi) oscillating between quantum black at Planck scale l=g*m/c^2=(h*g/2pi*c^3)^0.5 which deduce ch=2pi*g*m^2=8pi*g*(m*c^2/2)^2/c^4, m=(ch/2pi*g)^0.5 : solution of GR field equation, proton scale pl=g(p)*(4pi*pm/3)/c^2=8.809*10^-16 meter, Atom scale A^2=g(p)*pi*me/128.4980143&c^2, generate strong force g(p)=g*m^2/pm^2=1.13*10^28, EM force between proton[pm=1.672621868*10^-27 kg], electron[me=9.10938*10^-31 kg] in [hydrogen]Atom[A=5.29177282*10^-11 meter] k*e^2=g(p)*pm^2/137.036=ch/(2pi*137.036)[e+]=me*(c/137.036)^2*A[e-]=4pi*g(p)*pm*me*137.036/128.51991, weak force unite g(p) with k*e^2 by pm/me=1836.1527=4pi*137.036^2/128.51991=1/(4*A1*137.036^3)=(pi/(128.4980143*A*137.036))^0.5 where A1=A*(128.4980143/128.51991)=5.2908712*10^-11 meter, deduce (me/pm)^2/137.036=128.4980143*A/3.1415926=2.16*10^-9=0.00116592026-0.00116591810 : discrepancy of muon magnetic moment of (g-2)/2 factor between experiment data[0.001165920+((61-41)+(57-25))*10^-9/2], theoretical prediction[0.00116584719+6845*10^-7+154*10^-8+92*10^-9] from Fermilab at 8/10/23 due to worm hole g*m^2 oscillating between e-, e+ interact with EM force between proton[pm], electron[me].

10. Life Is A Dream

11. I interpret 'zero is the boundary of zero' to mean that the space between parallel realities is infinite therefore the boundaries can not be crossed. The frequency of each reality is unique. Only non-physical (consciousness) can cross the boundary.

12. Wheeler sounded like an incredible, visionary scientist. It was interesting to find out from the book, ‘how the hippies saved physics’ that he actively tried to shut down a lot of the esoteric physics work. He definitely had his own demarcation line.

13. I think he meant the boundary of the boundary = 0 literally as an answer to you, as it is the only way to physically approach that question from topology

14. We are carbón based life forms. We live and then we die. That's it.

15. Thanks my man for what you do, your ability to have been “EDUCATED” but remember why you became interested in this in the first place, never stop exploring ideas!

16. Christopher Fuchs 🤣

17. The Aboriginal people have been telling this since ancient history… this is the dream reality and the other side of the veil is the real reality. And we are the dreamers. About time we start listening to the Indiginous people and the ancients, instead of wasting time on reinventing the wheel after having it smashed by science… we're REdiscovering rather than discovering.

18. I’m sorry but things happen in a certain way no matter if anyone is looking. Human observation is not needed for reality.
    We are and have been at such a standstill in physics for a long time now and you have incredibly intelligent people spending their whole lives making no progress. I think the natural frustration of this is making them crazy.

19. Reminds me of the path integral of the song force vs weak force, regarding Wheeler's observer things. The detector in the wave collapse changes the path integral. It's not hard.

20. And they create it in patches. Everyone owns their own patch of reality, although there are also group patches. Quantum mechanics is crazy. The problem is that it works so very well and underlies half our technology.

21. Everything that occurs in reality is a type of measurement

22. Anthropic principle. Brandon Carter and Robert Dicke. Not Wheeler.

23. I also thought of this possiblity.

24. This "U with an Eye" symbol, and the idea behind it, is interesting, because I have head this same idea expressed by several people over the years. The first time it was in a book authored by an art student studying at MIT! His idea was that the human nervous system, per se, resembled the starry sky and the reason people existed was so that the Universe could Perceive Itself using the human eye and senses.

25. Can we then call it the Youniverse?

26. Physicist Robert Jastrow wrote in his book on God and Astronomers ,” For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountain of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries.”
    Science and philosophy in the end are both seeking the truth. As science hits its head against the boundaries it can not reach it is forced to use intuition and reach for ideas that eventually become a philosophy of a kind. The philosophers have always been there but without any real answers to put forth, again only ideas and intuition. But It is there that the Hindu metaphysical teachings have directed us all along. There teachings reached the same conclusions thousands of years ago simply by looking inwardly to connect with the universe. The short version when summarized would be “ know thyself. Seek and you shall find”.

27. A fractal

28. You as an observer, create your own personal reality/world, that appears to be shared, but is in fact your chosen version, simply by your beliefs, thoughts, intentions, and perhaps most importantly….your actions. You are not a victim, but a creator!

29. collapse of the wave function creates the "reality"

30. John Wheeler rocked my world since i was about 24, in '89.

    As a Truth-Seeker, his theories were SO weird, that Münchhausen Boots-Trap-Thing…Yet they were also… comforting, in a way.

    First heard of him in

    "Innenansichten eines Artgenossen" by

    Hoimar von Ditfurth

    Also a great thinker.

    The GEM is, for me, no question here,

    Peter Plichta

    He went ALL in, studied physics, chemics, and other, found the deepest meaning of numbers, room, matter, atoms, elements, chaos, reciproce structures of infinity…
    For me, he absolutely nailed it!
    And!, he invented and has a patent for a 20x Mach 1 "Flying Saucer", also created the fuel for it, Silane.

    Check him out!

    👍

31. Noup, Wheeler never told about humans as the "creators of reality" … please, don't tweak for bad what was made for good … what Wheeler told is that we can not exclude the observers from the reality that they observe… the observers as active elements from a reality that embeds observers….

    If you begin to say that Wheeler told that humans are the creators of reality, 1) You are missing Wheeler's point 2) Spreading misinformation 3) Give room to Wishful Thinking biases into any sort of exchanges of information that pretend to become truthful 4) You become a zealot of lies, derailing others from the paths for Truth.

32. There is no separate observer but the so-called observer is a part of the whole. If something creates reality we are part of it and therefore creators. It is obvious that we create a lot of everything mentally and physically. Subject and object are the same thing.

33. Our Brians are Quantum.
    As we observe we create.
    Everything is everything!

34. Ok so I’m obviously a nobody, but in my humble white belt opinion, before I hear what she answers, person #1 statement /question- “the observer creates reality?” , answer or comment by wheeler -“ we live in a self excited universe”
    My take, u are one of the observers! So get on it and just make something happen, I’ve been to hell, it’s an empty lonely place. Connect, try to live abundantly and balanced! So self excite!

    #2 persons question or comment- “ did all this something come from nothingness “. Wheeler reaction- the boundary of a boundary is zero(0).”
    Well biblically which in my opinion is a damn good reference, it claims we’re aren’t meant to grasp everything, and fools gold tells me curiosity killed the cat, well I’m not a cat, and I’m desperate for more truth or reaching for the truth best I can! So maybe to the best our minds work, yea someone did create what we know of, beginning and end? Does space time hold the same qualities in higher dimensions, or evelb lower ones? Idk, so I’ll say he by the boundary being zero, that just like we thought the earth was flat, and u could go off the end, it ended up being a sphere, maybe time space is similar, and this existence is breathing, contracting and expanding, and it goes thru a and then it starts again! But that’s from this observer. It’s all relative right?

35. Boundary of a boundary is something like Dirac's belt twisted twice or like 2nd differentiation, that takes you to your goal, but not zero. As for 'self-excited universe', is like cosmic consciousness collapsing the quantum fields after 'observation', creating fine tuned particles, leading to life and human consciousness (which is different than the cosmic consciousness-divine design).

36. @1:40

    : and

    ‘ Hippies create police.

    Police create Hippies ‘

    This is not different than the electric – magnetic concept ….

    Quantum mechanics is not just about the mechanics of discrete systems.

    Would the engineering complex of a water slide : in its structure be put under the ‘quantum theory’ ?

    This spiritual concept should remain in spirituality :

    Youre question most properly would be a mathematical pursuit :

    If you think you have a better idea then there will be a better alternative to Maxwell’s equations with different philosophical implications .

    Human observation is a subset of all observers …

    That’s a very high thing …

    A contravariant functor.

    ‘It should be’

    @1:50 :

    Which is not literally correct in the mathematical study that electromagnetism implies .

    This is one philosophical path toward demonstrating an answer to the question of origination .

    Which a mechanical philosopher (as opposed to a mathematical one) would have the sincerest relationship to .

37. The universe is a self excited circuit doesn't really help. Its another (understandably) weak attempt at answering the unanswerable. For me, the fact that ideas from the western occult tradition (Aleister Crowley, Pythagorean Illuminati) are 100% consistent with the most cutting edge physics of today is beyond compelling. Quatum loop theory is "the Phoenix Process." Statements like "the universe is the fluctuation of a dynamic, net zero," and other references from various mystical schools that the fundamental reality is nothingness, centuries before electron miscroscopes proved it true; but especially the Gnowledge of the fact that our consciousness comes to us on the rays of the sun, a fact known from Egypt to Europe, Aztec to Inca (not to mention that these cultures recognized gold as crystalized consciousness, and knew that gold came from stars….) is being proven (Penrose/Hammeroff)…this conjucture, a perfect union of contrary things, should be getting far more attention than it is. And these things, I think, Wheeler had noticed, and was trying to articulate in a way that wouldnt compromise his reputation as a serious scientist. This was a constraint on Jung, and today on Michael Levin, who only recently has admitted outrigh to being basically pansychist, and stating that synchronicity is likely evidence that we are part of a greater intelligence. Not too mention the fairly recent emergence of proof that cognition, including counting, memory, and even engineering, does not require neurons…The paradigm shift has hit so hard, and so fast, that most people cant even process what is happening.

38. Nisargadatta Maharaj agrees with Wheeler.

39. This concept was already there in ancient Hindu philosophy, its called "Drishti-Srishti vada". "Drishti" means: The act of seeing or perceiving. "Srishti" means: The creation or existence of the world.

40. Maybe the quantum realm and the classical developed independently from each other like different life forms in different ecosystems on the same planet that don’t really share much traits. Maybe the quantum is a different dimension than the classical, separated by size. There would be no singular “ ring to rule them all “

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