Kalanadi
Language, xenolinguistics, interspecies communication. This is my favorite topic in science fiction by far. I’ve been asked occasionally for a recommendations video about this, so today I am attempt to deliver.
FYI, I think I called the spiders Sophids but they’re actually Portids. Woopsie.
THINGS MENTIONED
Semiosis by Sue Burke
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35018907-semiosis
Children of Time by Adrian Tchaikovsky
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25499718-children-of-time
Children of Ruin by Adrian Tchaikovsky
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/41716930-children-of-ruin
“Story of Your Life” by Ted Chiang (a.k.a. the movie Arrival)
Everything Is Made of Letters (especially “Learning Report”) by Sofia Rhei
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/46200916-everything-is-made-of-letters
Monteverde: Memoirs of an Interstellar Linguist by Lola Robles
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32806405-monteverde
“The Silence of the Asonu” and “The Author of the Acacia Seeds” by Ursula K. Le Guin (also sort of The Telling, which is a Hainish novel)
Foreigner by C.J. Cherryh
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/57043.Foreigner
Amatka by Karin Tidbeck
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/33518530-amatka
Babel-17 by Samuel R. Delany
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/602452.Babel_17
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Thank you so much for this video! I am a linguistics freak and I absolutely adored Ted Chiang's Story of Your Life. It's a shame that there's only a few good linguistic themed books in sci-fi, although there's as much interesting theories to build on as there are in physics or biology.
Great idea for a video! I think too many science fiction novels, TV shows, and films overlook the differences in language and communication and how they affect the way different cultures interact with each other. Sure, universal translators make it easy for showrunners and authors to get around major differences in linguistics, but computers can't translate nuance, idioms, and tone the way an intelligent brain can. Now I really want to read Children of Time! All I'd heard about before were the spiders!
You managed to make me interested in Foreigner! I've been avoiding it for some reason, now I want to read it soon. I also really want to read the Lola Robles and Sofia Rhei books, I've had them on my wishlist since you first reviewed them, maybe I should stop waiting for a price drop and just buy them!
Great recommendation video! 🙂 It's funny that I immediately thought of the "Author of the Acacia Seeds", and then… you mentioned it! Now I really want to read a few of the books you mentioned! Babel-17 is already on my TBR shelf, and I'll be purchasing Embassytown as well in the near future. Semiosis really sounds like my kind of thing as well, and it somewhat reminds me of a novel version of Ursula K. LeGuin's short story "Vaster than empires and more slow". Another series that comes to my mind, personally, on the wider topic of communication, is The Southern Reach trilogy. I mean it's definitely not about linguistics or language specifically, but the theme of communicating with an "alien" entity is definitely an important one I think.
You recommendations are really good. I got to discover Semiosis previously because of one your videos.
By the way, in Rama series there are Octospiders whose anatomy allows them communicate via colorful light, then it gets interesting how they find ways to communicate with humans.
I loved foreigner and I’m rereading it right now I think it stands the test of time you probably will still like it , I’m reading it again cause it’s shelved on goodreads as planetary romance and that throw me of I don’t remember any romance in it , I would recommend you #claimings series by Lyn gala check it out.
Foreigner of course but interspecies communication plays an important part in the Chanur series by Cherryh. I don't think I've heard you mention Chanur, I think you would like them. But then I think everyone would enjoy them.
I would also have to mention The Lord Of The Rings and Game Of Thrones.David Peterson (creator of the Dothraki language for the TV show) gave a fascinating talk at WorldCon.
I'm currently finishing A Woman of the Iron People by Eleanor Arnason which has strong elements of linguistic science fiction. It's a first contact novel with human explorers meeting and studying life on another planet. The natives are at the cusp of what we would consider Bronze Age culture but they seem to be stuck there and for reasons may never enter it. Our primary viewpoint character is Lixia, one of the Earth explorers.
It's interesting for me. I don't know if I'd recommend it for many. You will probably enjoy it, if not get something out of it.
Yaaaaay!! I'm so glad you did this video. I have read a few of these and completely agree with your comments on them, and many of the others are already on my TBR based on hearing about them on your channel before, but some were new to me – I didn't realize Children of Time had a strong linguistics focus, for example! I want so badly to read these all now…
Great video! I love this topic, and you've covered most of my favorites.
A few other SF novels I liked that deal with language and/or communication are:
– Snow Crash by Stephenson (which involves hacking the human brain with a language virus)
– The Color of Distance by Thomson (which is about aliens that "speak" with color, and the challenges that poses for communication with humans)
– Solaris by Lem (which concerns an alien intelligence that communicates in an ENTIRELY odd way)
– Hellspark by Kagan (which is about the non-verbal aspects that make communication across cultures so perilous, even when the language is shared)
I also thought the book Aliens and Linguists by Walter Earl Meyers was a really interesting deep-dive into linguistics in science fiction, though it was published in 1980 and is pretty dated now.
I had many of those books on my TBR already, but now I'm excited to pick them up!
The fifth book in the Memoirs of Lady Trent (Within the Sanctuary of Wings) has a lot to do with languages, as does Turning Darkness Into Light (old written language), both by Marie Brennan. If anyone wants some fantasy 🙂
A really old short story is "Omnilingual " by H Beam Piper and two stories where language is important is "Blued Moon" and "Spice Pogrom" by Connie Willis
Good subject for a video. For a SF historical perspective, here are links to two very old SF stories: A Martian Odyssey (1934) and The Lotus Eaters (1935), by Stanley G. Weinbaum (both now public domain).
A Martian Odyssey is celebrated as being the first SF story to have aliens that felt alien, were not monsters, and truly strange (as opposed to human-like Martian Princesses or attacking creatures). The Lotus Eaters is, I'm pretty sure, the first SF story to mention linguistics and introduce plant-based intelligent life.
These are part of a nine story series set in a solar system that was consistent with planetary science speculations of the 1920s and 30s, but which seems awfully dated today. They are written in a very "pulpy" style. If you can get past these two things, they still work and contain interesting speculations on language, intelligence, biology, life, and death. Enjoy!
http://bestsciencefictionstories.com/science_fiction_library/a_martian_odyssey.html
http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks06/0601231h.html
(Stanley Weinbaum died of lung cancer at age 33 in 1935. Besides this series and a separate one of three more SF stories, he wrote a romance novel and wrote/co-wrote various stories in the romance, fantasy, horror, thrilling adventures, etc. genres, most of which were published after his death.)
Yay! I hadn't heard of the Sapir-whorf hypothesis, but I'm going to be gleefully googling it. When we watched the movie Arrival I was so moved by the alien language being circular/holistic. You mentioned the hypothesis may or may not have much standing nowadays, but I believe it has merit. Learning to speak Spanish, (and passing familiarity with others, namely Latin, Greek and German as it relates to horticulture) continually gives me insights into how our language shapes our perspective. In Spanish, something as basic as the masculine/feminine articles to words have a subconscious effect, ie: el día, la mesa etc. I love this topic!
Yay, I've been looking forward to this for some time now. This is so much a Rachel subject at this point considering your love of language and communications. The two Le Guin short stories I only recently read with Shannon and found them both to be really interesting.
This video has been calling to me from the middle of my Watch Later, but I've been strong! 😂 Children of Time immediately jumped on my TBR! And Foreigner is already on my list thanks to you talking about it previously. Looking forward to catching up with the rest of your Vlogmas vids 😊
I loved Sue Burke's Semiosis (she's a friend, but in this case I'm genuinely impartial, it's great), and this year's sequel INTERFERENCE is also worth a look. Another option you might consider is NATIVE TONGUE by Suzette Haden Elgin.
I see someone has mentioned Omnilingual by H Beam Piper already. A related issue is General Semantics developed by Alfred Korzybski and his book Science and Sanity. Robert Heinlein was interested in this and mentioned Loglan, Logical Language, in The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.
Thank you very much. This video is like little treasure. I LOVE languages (I hate grammer though lol). It is such a fascinating topic. I guess I will attempt to read as many books as possible from that list.
I think I can't put off "Children of Time" for much longer . I think I have an "open slot" around September.
Thank you for such a fantastic post. After viewing I went online and ordered the books you mentioned. I am about to start an Open University degree on Language next year and it is a subject I find fascinating. Science Fiction has recently become a genre that I've got into but to tie up both passions was brilliant. It would be great if you could do a follow up video or failing that would it be possible to to name a few more books on the subject. Thank you again for the post. Keep up the good work
A year late, but if you’re interested in why Linguists are generally not convinced by the Sapir Whorf hypothesis, try The Language Hoax by John McWhorter.
Hey, thanks for the recommendations. I'm also interested in the topic of linguistics and science fiction. I have done a small research on this topic (mainly a list with titles) and I can share it, if you are interested. I'm also on twitter. See you there.