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Marvin Minsky – Why I changed from bottom-up to top-down thinking (26/151)



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The scientist, Marvin Minsky (1927-2016) was one of the pioneers of the field of Artificial Intelligence, having founded the MIT AI Lab in 1970. Since the 1950s, his work involved trying to uncover human thinking processes and replicate them in machines. [Listener: Christopher Sykes]

TRANSCRIPT: I was interested in that… trying to design a machine that would collect a lot of experience and then make predictions about what was likely to happen next, and so the… this thesis ends up with that, a little bit theory about that… but then I decided that that was really the wrong way… or a wrong way to, think about thinking. And… I think in 1956, or was it 54? I’ll have to look it up again… another friend of mine named Ray Solomonoff started to produce a theory of how to predict… make predictions from experience based on a completely different set of ideas based on probability theory and, more important, based on Alan Turing’s idea about universal machines; and Solomonoff’s idea was that basically the best way to make a prediction is to find the simplest Turing machine that will produce a certain phenomenon.

Now, there’s no systematic way known where… and in fact it may be impossible to find the simplest Turing machine that produces a certain result, but still this is a wonderfully important idea about the foundations of probability and about how one could build very intelligent machines. So after I got this insight from Solomonoff, I stopped working on neural nets entirely because I felt that was a bottom-up approach, and one really couldn’t design a machine to do intelligent things unless one had some sort of top-down theory of what it is that… what kind of behaviour that machine should have.

Once you have a clear idea of what it is to be a smart machine, then you can start to figure out, well then, what kind of machinery could support that, and what kind of machinery would it take to do that? And then at the end of a rather long path we could ask, and how could we use neurons or things like we find… like the cells we find in the brain, to produce these functions?

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3 thoughts on “Marvin Minsky – Why I changed from bottom-up to top-down thinking (26/151)
  1. Evolutionary processes are basically what Minsky calls "bottom up". So I'm not so sure that a top-down approach to modelling biological machines will produce a theory of the human brain and intelligence. To me it appears there doesn't have to be a precise set of underlying principles. The brain is a probabilistic machine evolved over time in a probabilistic process.

  2. All wrong. Evolution's only purpose is survival and reproduction. All all intelligence is a byproduct. It's just that planet where this went wrong are not ours. If we give higher order purposes to machines, they will be extremely limited, and totally unpredictable. And they will always be so. Unless you give simple goals, and watch it evolve, but that is way too hard.

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