Dr. Todd Grande
This video answers two question: (1) What is neuro-linguistic programming? And (2) Can I offer a critique Richard Grannon Spartan Life Coach YouTube channel. This may seem unusual that I’m combining a theoretical model with a critique of a YouTube channel, but my main criticisms of Richard Grannon’s channel revolve around neuro-linguistic programming, so I really have to explain NLP in order to explain my criticisms.
Neuro-linguistic programming coaches also go by a variety of names including certified life coach certified, NLP life coach, certified practitioner of NLP, certified master practitioner of NLP, and some refer to themselves as a certified hypnotherapist. NLP takes techniques and concepts from accepted empirically-based treatment modalities like cognitive behavior therapy, solution-focused therapy, motivational interviewing, psychodynamic therapy, and Gestalt therapy.
There’s no single agreed upon definition for but here are seven philosophical and theoretical assumptions of NLP from a recent article:
1. Experience has a structure; there are patterns in the way individuals organize their experiences.
2. The map is not the territory.
3. The mind and body are one system; there is a reciprocal relationship between mental and physical states.
4. People work perfectly – it is more useful to think of people as being effective at getting particular results
5. Individuals have all the resources that they need.
6. There is no failure, only feedback.
7. If what you’re doing is not working, try something else to be effective
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Grannon and others who practice NLP, call themselves life coaches, and other self-proclaimed mental health "professionals" have one thing in common. They attract the lost, confused, lonely, and individuals seeking a purpose or clear identities like moths to a flame. There is a reason that it takes years of education and research to earn the credentials required for licensing mental health providers.
I believe one claim of NLP is if you change your use of language you change your beliefs. For example, if you use confident language, you internalize confidence. I don’t have direct experience to say this with certainty. It’s only how it was explained to me. To me, this seems very superficial and misleading.
Richard Grannon helped me go through hell. You didn't.
Great video thanks.
Could we see if NLP is working correctly by getting the results we want in using it?
Bandler called NLP “ magic” which implies getting results by techniques we do not under stand.
Dr Grande, I sort of miss the approaches and style of your earlier videos like this one. They seem to convey some authentic unrehearsed responses and feelings (Although of course they are well structured and planned).
I enjoy your newer videos of the last year or so as well, but they do encompass a little bit more of your now trademarked style of poker faced dry humor and wit. I realize this is a critical part of branding your uniqueness…but it would also be nice to occasionally see your original personality again…(maybe I should look for interviews you have done where I can see your approachable affable side also?)
His channel helped me go no contact with my narc mom and helped me detect grandiose narcissism. Can't say the same about many "traditional outlets" either being mental health outlets, which are just repeated content, with no actual depth, or nutrition outlets. I had a bad experience with both. It seems I get all the health, mental and otherwise advice from non-traditional channels simply because it works better.
Richard Grannon has the gift of the gab, and besides he speaks from experience. That said, I couldn't agree more with all your points , Dr Grande thank you for being a voice of reason amidst all those who claim to coach us of life using baseless theories. I often laugh at the word life coach, I never liked it and unfortunately platforms permit everyone to "be" what they are necessarily not….I nearly fell for one, then I decided to read psychology degree to see for myself <3
Just watched a live with RG and Pierre. He doesn’t even try to hide that he despises his audience, calls them psychotics and admittted being the same ashole when meeting ”fans” as he is online. Can’t believe that people gets fooled by this predator. He just wants your money, your views and to hear his own voice, he doesnt give a shit about the sufferers of narc. abuse and as he put it in his own words: ”I don’t care”.
Richa4d Granon helps peoples immensly worlwide thats the most important fact. I am in Poland.
He’s a psychopath
Sorry, it is inappropriate and unprofessional to comment on competetors. I hear jelousy.
Maybe look in the mirror ?
His content has major nuance towards a bit of elitism, and dare I say, self indulgent leanings toward an incredibly privileged lense. Also anyone that can get down with Sam Vaknin is SUS. The manosphere, and it's intersection with many other toxic, and radical beliefs is scary. Misogyny and WS, nationalism… it's all there and it's part of their rabbit hole.
We got my daughter an academic life coach. It actually helped… She had been blocking her Dad and I out of her life. She was closing down. He really did help her open up, develop confidence and supported good academic practices. That being said, I researched the heck out of all of the ALC's we were considering and gave him key concepts to work on. Also the ALC did use sound psychological techniques. I know this because he would explain which technique he was using and then I researched each technique. They were valid. He also suggested that we get our daughter a licensed child therapist because a she was being bullied by a high-school girl. We followed his advice and our daughter has developed a great way of dealing with bullies, negative feelings and life's dramas. She had actually been developing anorexic tendencies and now she eats normally, wears colors (used to be all black), smiles, does (and hands in) her school work… I do feel like the ACL made my daughter more receptive to getting a therapist and changed the trajectory of her life (For the better).
Any more thoughts 💭 @NLP? My public comment:
“Wealth = NLP + Currency Trading without any doubts after reading Jack Schwager’s “Market Wizards” series. Schwager delves into this in his first book. I’ve experienced that and applied NLP and it works as it’s greatly improved my investment behavior. I took this away from Schwager on NLP, “Change your body, change your mind ♾️ Change your mind, change your body.” The infamous Dr. Jordan Peterson sums NLP up when he says to be articulate.
Yes, NLP is about improvement towards excellence, and not necessarily therapeutic. To gain therapy help, there needs to be abnormal behavioral problems with a Dx.
NLP is like yoga and mindfulness. Very good therapy programs will highlight the benefits of mindfulness as Jon Kabat-Zinn teaches, and Kabat-Zinn is not focused on behavior as much as mastery.
After hearing Dr. Grande, he’s perused NLP from a broad perspective, while NLP is mostly about being precise in the moment. Due to traumatic brain injury, I cannot do yoga 🧘🏼♂️as well as I once did, so focusing on the cognitive is the approach I’m left with as well as endurance training. NLP can work very well in particular situations like mine:”
His content is a mixed bag for me, I found a really helpful video of his today and I truly appreciated it. Sometimes he says things that are annoying in the sense I feel they are short sighted and/ or irresponsible. I think he has good intentions at least.
I love you videos I am going to look at other ones ….💚
The best way to determine the authenticity of a self titled guru, teacher, shaman, spiritual guide, cult leader, genius, or any other ad nauseum proclaimist, is to ignore them. In ten years, if they're still living independently, and in accordance with their own doctrine, take another look-see. In the meantime, you'll have lots of time to see if they self-implode. Nearly all end their conreers quickly, joining their conpatriots in the malinger swamp; there's at least one in every neighborhood in this country.
Persons without prior mental health diagnoses going to treatment for depression and PTSD during menopause and experiencing predatory psychology treatment with pharmaceuticals and diagnoses without doing any testing is a major reason for avoiding conventional psychological therapy. Just like AA with persons helping others with similar PTSD situations, one can avoid the sociopathic and non empathetic biases of many practitioners who take advantage of persons in vulnerable conditions. Misdiagnosis and mistreatment is rampant in many communities today due to overprescribing medication instead of directly treating mental health issues with situations they have not directly experienced themselves.
I was so enamored with NLP when I was younger and I got really turned off by it. Every once in a while I look back over some books and see that some of it looks pretty good, but that’s because they just took some good stuff from effective therapies out of context.
(IDK Dr Grande experience or thoughts in hypnosis, but there is a hypnotherapist who jokingly say that “NLP” is “hypnosis Not Learned Properly!” 😂)
The stuff that is unique to NLP itself …total bs.
Try some pitchblende!
Sounds almost exactly how Dianetics was developed, or even the Meyers Briggs personality tests.
Without a sound psychological study, nobody should be a coach. This is not responsible.
this is an absolutely great channel, lacking of the usual US American "optimism over science"…:-)
I believe Richard Grannon when he claims he can make a person better instantly.
He is using the power of suggestion….it’s the same reason why some people legitimately feel “cured” by evangelic pastors placing their “healing hands” upon them. Their [the evangelicals’] particular brand of cure doesn’t stand the test of time, however. It’s just a temporary relief.
I agree with you Dr.Grande that only significant time spent in therapy (with a competent clinician) CAN POSSIBLY enable a person to experience lasting positive results with their issue(s) regarding mental health.
Was going to add a comment. From the clear and positive support for Richard, I don't have to.
It's unfortunate that you depend so heavily on "licensing." Many people have been hurt by bad counseling with supposedly qualified counselors. It's very possible to get a license without being any good. I wonder if you feel threatened by unlicensed people. All the questions you ask about the validity of this method could well be applied to anyone or any method. This method has good and bad practitioners just like any other. Since you don't seem to have gathered sufficient info to understand the method, it doesn't seem appropriate for you to pass judgement. Buyer Beware applies in all things.
(No, I'm not a practitioner or a patient.)
NLP is manipulation. I met peopel who were talking with me strange , I could feel it and I di knot like eit. And one person told me that she was using nlp on me to make me thin that the way she wants me to think. it was creepy , she was creepy and not a nice person.and she wanted to use me to buy things actually -::)
I enjoy his content. I have been into NLP for decades.
After hearing you say with such certainty that genetics is linked to personality, I'm definitely not having kids.
“NLP improves critical thinking”
Or does it improve the perception that one is being a critical thinker? Self-deluding and self-gaslighting, you’re making yourself believe you’re crazy because believing you’re less crazy when in fact you only have the expectation that you are less crazy sounds like not sane.
what happened to wisdom and advice? why does everything need to filtered through the lens of “mental health practitioners?” There is a time and place for that kind of help but if something like NLP or AA works for some people, let them be! Science is an ever changing landscape. I won’t wait around for scientific beaurocracy and their stamp of approval to put helpful principles into practice.
that’s it. that’s the ticket!
learn the lingo. get the jingo.
He has vulnerable fans who are the type of people who fall for narcissists. Speaks to why he’s popular with them.
There’s no way to guarantee even a licensed therapist is applying techniques appropriately and effectively
I haven't heard of Richard Grannon before but as someone who has had lots of struggles, bipolar, blah blah. I found I got well when I finally realized it wasn't my partner, my boss, my coworkers, my family causing my problems it was me. When I took responsibility for my physical and mental health I started getting well. All the drs, therapists and programs couldn't help UNTIL I realized I was the only one with a stake in my health. So perhaps the people who got well with him were ready to change, learn, grow etc and he was just the catalyst. Which is great if he was and they did.
Hm. Interesting. The only books I've read on NLP were how-to guides for brainwashing. That was a long time ago, though.
Fixated on Degrees and The Higher Educations Of the World Rather than the Results.
Does it really matter as long as it is a means of progress, a child can teach a adult if a open mind is present.
A child yet to attend school of any form has the means to teach a parent.
With this being said, society is separating for these soul reasons, one side is prove it with facts, fair enough.
" Has science replicated a Atom from Nothing?"
Yet we are all here prior to proof of how one is made from nothing.
Analysis Paralysis ole boy, Richard Grannon has Great Points of View from his Perspective and his Lessons he has learned along the way.
You do not need to be credited by a Higher Highly Reputable University or Science Group to Get Results.
Society would not exist if we had to wait for the Scientific World to Credit and Invent a Atom from Nothing but Yet we are here . (Still has yet to be solved)
Wisdom is a Path, not a couple words or paragraphs, it is to be gained and evolve along the way.
Not all wisdom is gained by a book there will be a time where Metaphysics supercedes Science very soon.
Nikola Tesla Predicted it, "When Man delves into the Metaphysics we will accomplish more during that time than all times before him" (not a exact quote but in the close spectrum)
Everyone is working through something and everyone is doing this the best they can and know how to do.
Diversity of Growth Topics not fixed on just published and accredited ones for one to prosper.
Trying to find the fulcrum is the most strenuous aspect, one side mudslings another rather than being open minded that some of the greatest ideas were from partially also uneducated people in history. We stunt Evolution as a Species by only accepting certain stamped and approved labels as a means of wisdom or knowledge.
All we have is Ideas, simply Ideas that are made to be built on not owned by some name for some award if one chooses to evolve, it is their free will to do so.
Deciding who is a valid means of attention for growth is playing a one sided field, if it works it works all depends on the eye of the beholder.
To submerge yourself in any singular topic is just that, to be drowning from overconsumption, watch to many Narcisissum videos you absorb what you watch and what environment you choose what energy you choose you become a product of.
Evolution of one self is with diversity, if genetics did not evolve and change then evolution would never occur in nature.
Grinder and Bandler
Dr. Grande, I love your videos but this one reminds me of Tom Cruise arguing with Matt Laur about psychiatry and medications.
Tom Cruise was criticizing Brooke Shields for taking an anti-depressants. Matt Laur defended her saying "but if it’s helping HER, it might be right for HER.
NLP might work and be helpful for some people. This is good.
I’v been teaching piano to people of all age for 40 yrs and have come to known at least 50 other teachers. 98% of those teaching needed a teacher themselves. All of them had good intentions but didn’t know what they were doing. The same way I didn’t know when I was teaching right out of college. (Berklee College of Music, Boston, MA 1983) performance/piano -BM.
Anyone can open up a music studio and teach whatever they want. It’s a tricky business. Parents pay for years lessons and practicing and the kid grows up and says: "ya, I took lessons but was never any good at it."
I’ve read a lot about NLP when it was in its hay-day and while I am not involved anymore, it was a positive influence in my life. At the very least sparked my curiosity.
If someone does not hold a degree from an accredited college it does not mean they aren’t competent. (Sometimes it does)
You certainly are entitled to your opinions (which I respect) but "open mindedness" is missing.
There was an article in the newspaper recently that exposed the fact kids in grades 7-12 were not interested in taking any music classes and the programs were running dry.
I went on the DOE’s web-sight and took the sample test to become a certified music teacher in the class room. The test was so archaic and unrelated to music it’s no wonder kids want nothing to do with it. The whole framework was created by a people who were in administrative unrelated positions. I don’t know why anyone with musical experience would even want pay the money to learn the crap to get a piece of paper saying-"I’ve been studying about chords and instruments that have been obsolete for over 300 years, and it cost a fortune"
I understand your point but feel it needs more context especially: the field of expertise.
I would never want someone who didn’t hold a medical degree to perform open-heart surgery on me. I’d want the guy who taught at Harvard Med School for 10 yrs. I wouldn’t want the guy who went to school from a small mid-west town who got his education from a college that isn’t even on the map.
There’s a lot more to consider when it comes to holding a degree.
My neighbor gives me the best haircuts I’ve ever had and never went to any school.
Many sides to this coin.
I have tried to watch his videos and I am interested in this technique but every video hits me quickly as a bedtime story and I wake up to obnoxious YouTube infomercials. Grannon I will add to my to do list after refilling the Adderall.
Dr. Todd,
Please respect people's names by finding out how to pronounce them before you put all your effort into producing a video.
If you mispronounce someone's name,
I believe it will give a negative outlook on your credibility.
John Grinder's name is NOT pronounced like a coffee grinder. It is pronounced like the phrase "going in" with the short version of the vowel "i", NOT a long "i".
I have studied in the 1980s & '90s all all the couses available at that time from beginner all the way thru to "Certified NLP Trainer." During that time NLP was VERY popular with amazing results in most cases! However, it seemed to be in competition with (I will say) the APA,
i.e. professional graduate school courses & certifications. However, during that time I was in my PhD program in Clinical Psych. and was quite aware of the negative attitudes that the APA side had towards the NLP community.
During that time the Milton H. Erickson Foundation would have their annual conferences which included a category called "Brief Theopy." I engaged in mostly those lectures. At that time there were a lot of MFCCs, PhDs & LCSWs who got majorly involved in learning & getting certified in NLP & became very successful at it.
I wonder if you have read or got certified in any NLP courses or books like the initial one, "Frogs into Princes." I have found in my own experience that if I take sides in some controvery and I have not read or studied anything about the opposite side, then I have no logical right to say anthing about the other side.
That was a lesson I learned right out of college, when I held the belief that Astrology is B.S. So I took a course in it & learned a lot about a subject that's been around for thousands of years. It blew me away after I did the charts of everyone in my family & close friends and how accurate it was in describing their personality & talents. So I could no longer disagree with it.
I think it would be good to share a bit of NLP's BG. Both John & Richard studied & interviewed Milton Erickson & his exceptional form of hypnosis.
But Erickson called them both sociopaths.
And in the longrun NLP, as well as
E. Hypnosis has helped a lot of people.
E.g. they helped the S.A. high school girls
I worked with during my internship.
Back in the early '80s I met Tony and saw right away his (let's say) dark side—he already had a reputation then. BTW, he trained with Grinder who said to him, (something to the effect of… ) "You think you're so great, get people to walk on fire." And that's how Tony started—with the firewalk.
I need to go right now. I hope this leaves you with a little more BG information. BTW, the eye movevements have always been controversial, JD vs AH case the body language/behaviourists. were spot with the lies of AH. And that's a whole 'nother story!
Have a blessed day!
Me at 18 minute mark: what’s nlp again?
So what is the deal with all the narcissism analysis videos on YouTube? Did we always have so many narcissists in the world or are they on the rise due to societal changes?