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Why Daniel Dennett is wrong about memetics



Jean-Francois Gariépy

In this video, I explain why memes do not function as independent replicators the way DNA does. I propose that memetics is fundamentally flawed in that it fails to acknowledge that if bits of human culture do make copies of themselves inside our brains, the mutations that occur during the copying process of memes are manipulated by our brains so that memes end up evolving not for their own survival and reproduction, but for ours. Thus memes, unlike DNA, do not have a random mutation-generating mechanism, which is the basis for darwinian processes to apply.

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24 thoughts on “Why Daniel Dennett is wrong about memetics
  1. you are wrong about memetics.

    ideas have lexemes. lexeme syntax remain, while definitions change through semantic shift. semantic shift occurs using human minds as the environment. this means the definition of a word shifts dependent on the existential circumstance of the mind environment of the lexeme. evolution doesn't mean improvement.

    humans also evolving isn't a problem.

    are memes able to detach? yes and it is called writing.

    "is mutation random" largely.

    your misunderstanding is the divorcing of the various forms of sign from the meme. the spelling/character, pronunciation, and grammar matter to the meme. you are thinking from humans using ideas as tools, which is accurate to a point, but the tools themselves engage in metaphorical essentialist breeding. a hammer and a straw and a pump make a nail gun.

  2. Religion and god is just used to describe the unknown, we have been telling stories for millenia and through those stories we can get insight. The unknown is the thing that sparked all exist into being. We Wuz Munkees.

  3. I agree with you completely that Biology explains so much about the world. It is the basis of everything, and I also use it to understand reality while other people are using emotion. Basically many people believe what they want the world to be, while I work to understand it as it is and work within it, because I see every other method of forcing against nature to be a failure.

  4. agnosticism commits a logical fallacy!
    you can not claim a theoretical possibility of a god, because you do not know what do you mean "god".
    the statement of agnosticism is nonsense, even on the semantic level.

  5. Gariepy misunderstand the point about God and coherent reality. What the guy meant is that God is a principle that unifies all experience into a single reality (namely, God Himself).

    In a very broad sense, 'God' (sometimes signified by the more generic term 'Godhead') is a metaphysical commitment to a systematic or orderly view of the universe. Someone who believes in God believes that because everything is derived from a single principle of ultimate reason (namely, God), reality is therefore ultimately reasonable and capable of being understood with reason.

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