scienceandnonduality
In this conversation John Hagelin and Henry Stapp discuss the collapse of the wave function, the connection between mind and wave function, superposition, quantum observer, experience and objective reality and other quantum conundrums.
Henry Stapp, Ph.D. Quantum Physicist
Stapp received his Ph.D. in particle physics at the University of California, Berkeley, under the supervision of Nobel Laureates Emilio Segrè and Owen Chamberlain. Wolfgang Pauli visited Berkeley in the spring of 1958. He talked extensively with Stapp, and invited him to work with him in Zurich in the Fall. Stapp worked in Zurich with Pauli on fundamental problems until Pauli sudden unexpected death in December. In 1970 Werner Heisenberg invited Stapp to Munich, where the two conversed often on fundamental issues surrounding quantum mechanics. After returning to Berkeley wrote an influential article The Copenhagen Interpretation, published in the American Journal of Physics with Heisenberg’s comments appearing in an Appendix. Stapp has has made major contributions to analytic S-matrix theory, generalizations of Bell’s theorems, and understanding the quantum
connection of mind to physical processes.
John Hagelin, Ph.D.
President of the David Lynch Foundation
President of the Global Union of Scientists for Peace
SAND14_John-HagelinJohn Hagelin, Ph.D., is a world-renowned quantum physicist, educator, public policy expert, and leading proponent of peace. Dr. Hagelin received his A.B. summa cum laude from Dartmouth College and his M.A. and Ph.D. from Harvard University, and conducted pioneering research at CERN (the European Center for Particle Physics) and SLAC (the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center). His scientific contributions in the fields of electroweak unification, grand unification, super-symmetry and cosmology include some of the most cited references in the physical sciences. He is also responsible for the development of a highly successful Grand Unified Field Theory based on the Superstring. But Dr. Hagelin is unique among scientists in being the first to apply this most advanced knowledge for the practical benefit of humankind. He has pioneered the use of Unified Field-based technologies proven to reduce crime, violence, terrorism, and war and to promote peace throughout society—technologies derived from the ancient Vedic science of consciousness.
You have to respect John, he’s someone well educated but also keeps his mind open & doesn’t let the old school materialist paradigms bother him
wow i just got this wave function listening to this talk. My mind is blown!! My next question is.. if the wave function is possibilities that collapses given the dimensional restraints of the observer, then this would suggest nature in its purest form does not come from a single big bang because our investigations thus far are based in our observed results and theories based on our dimensional restraints and that any such investigations that have been or will ever be done will always be a small subset of a bigger series of sets that nature cannot show due to our limitations of existence or consciousness. If we get crazy on this and somewhat self indulgent then as we progress to an extent where we are able to communicate at some point to others in not only our universe but other universes, the truth of nature as it truly is an amalgamation of investigations and findings on such esoteric topics from various civilizations from here and other countless universes. If this is the case even somewhat plausible, the true nature of the universe and others is truly an epic journey and appreciating the effort put in by those individuals dedicated to these area's is certainly epic and deserves respect from generations past, now and to come.
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Isn't the word "nature" just another way of referring to God?
I just can't think of a coherent explanation of the double slit experiment with the single photon. It just does not make sense.
Wow, we have come so far. Quantum mechanics! But, we still have not figured out how to create microphones that don't pick up a grown mans every single sound. You'd think an animal was in the mix with all the panting and huffing. Matter does not exist outside of perception. So this is it for me. Perception out. Are they still making noise when I'm gone?
Hahaha, new religion… STAHPPP! That truly religious obsession with THE MIGHTY OBSERVER in quantum mechanics… Well, already in the simplest DOUBLE SLIT motherfucking experiment YOU DO NOT NEED ANY OBSERVER. Yes, then the discussion degenerates into "does the treefall produce a sound if nobody hears?" (is there interference pattern if nobody observes?), which is basically the immwnawly fruitful kind if philosophical thrashtalk like "how many angels fit on a needletip" that kept stupid catholibanic monks busy for centuries during dark ages.
Yes, quantum dark age of humANIMALs is here. There is no mystery of consciousness, just some "internal state", so what. If computers were not produced but just found in nature, the same philosopher parasites would ask for centuries these chalmersian "hard question" about "what is it like" to be a computer, and "how does it feel", and how about its "qualia" and "consciousness".
Well, does not matter, humANIMALs are irrelevant already today and Memetic Supercivilization of Intelligence is migrating to better platform.
Dr. Stapp, he explained well but was very stressful. My goodness, his breathing……
Isn't our mind simply our conceptual framework and might this be somewhat independent of neural connectivity in the sense that the same conceptual relationships can be implemented in various ways in terms of the underlying neural structures? So if two people have the same concepts and these concepts are related in the same way, they might still differ in their neural structure that gives rise to these conceptual relationships, but perhaps we could still identify this correspondence in the way they relate the concepts based on an analysis of the underlying neural structures?
It seems somewhat similar to the way humans identify patterns as information. For instance, a particular pattern of photons in a fiber-optic cable might constitute a particular image (say a jpg file), but the same image might also be constituted by a particular pattern of electrons on a memory stick. So there is a kind of dualism between empirically observable patterns in energy or matter on the one hand and abstract information on a conceptual level like a bitstring, regardless of how it's constituted in some empirically observable form (like we might store a jpg file in a DNA molecule).
Shift happens
A competent observer is any being which can recognise what is (in this reality).
Well Actually You make me think again !!!
Thanks for that !!!
So we get written on a quantum wave function once we die or we are already a quantum dataset existenin in that way but than maybe all is already quantum data to and that does not decay but then the dataset only grows ???
So once we differ enormously from our once owner matter we do become a kind of separate entity ??? Some scientists think so ???
So the grandfather paradox is actually resolving mathematical into a schrödinger’s cat like situation and so does the terminator paradox ??
And than if we see the world as a way of perception than we make things exits but does this nice car also have a conscious mind as long as the box does not kill it ? cognito ergo sum ??? by the cat ???
Well as we do believe in a God that exists forever than an always existing multiverse and a quantum data set is a way of seeing things ???
And mister Rupert Sheldrake might actually describe some kind of quantum data field than the reverse is also treu ???
Would quatsch data cause the existence of certain matter configuration???
Is the only life the life in carbon and oxygen or is there life other chemistry’s like silica and nitrogen ???
like the chemical factory incident in bhopal proved if I remember correctly ???
is life in a way between order and chaos almost like fire is almost alive ask a firefigther could there also be life in power fields and such if enough different energy states ??
In quantum data fields perhaps ?? other time scale than ???
Who says we are the only life possible???
So why limit things ???
Why not keep an open mind ???
A Crazy man can ask more questions than a wise man can answer ??
So a last if we can change the memory of the matter so we add energy but change the memory below the heisenberg thingy the lowest level and we add energy or we take a heavy atom and change it can it become a basis for the replicator of star trek ?
Can we use something like electrochemical printing and a guiding energy like a magnetic field or a high frequency field beyond x-rays and also electrostatics to get a printer of material any material ???
And if we are actually the observer can we than prove if we have a scientific correct experiment that proves past life that the brain is only our thinking organ ???
If the brain works to quantum levels is it than more than a neural network and also a quantum computer perhaps ???
Than are we in a way more interstellar and more than the sum of nature and nurture ???
so a nice way of seeing things is caused by this kind of thought you proposed???
Will of Nature. Mind of Nature…. Basically they are talking about common fundamental attributes attributed to God.
There seems to be 2 parallel processes in the observer efeect :
1) The incident beam of electrons has a wave function which collapses (due to mind ?) when the beam reaches the slits
2) There is a wave function of potentialities inside the brain , which collapses inside the brain by influence of mind
Is the wave function in the brain the only one ? What kind of signal the mind sends to the physical process in 1) when observer makes his questiions and at the time of collapse (to cause this collapse) ???
Can someone expain to me those two processes and how they integrate ? Thanks a lot.
oh no, they're dualists…
" In the Wave lies the Secret of Creation ! " Dr. Walter Russell
Wave function exists in higher dimensional Hlibert spaces….https://www.neuroquantology.com/…/jou…/article/view/1020
You know, John Hagelin list all of my respect when he was in that social darwinistic abomination of The Secret. Henry stapp seems to have his head together but I cannot lend much credibility to Hagelin.
Two things stand out for me. 1) why are particles only able to be in two places at once? It seems like they should have any number of positions along it's wave pattern. 2) the "mixture" theory just sounds like science trying to hold on to the premise that matter's position pre-exists observation. As if to say: "okay we'll admit you were right about the "thought creates" thing all along, but we were right too!" …and maybe both are right.
Excellent! What neither can come to admit in words in their excellent discussion; is what the mythology of man and all cultures (except materialist modern science) have implied or flat out said…we are living, non-material beings, attempting in this space, to exist through matter.
Brain collapses with age 😉