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How is it possible that mushy masses of brain cells, passing chemicals and shooting sparks, can cause mental sensations and subjective feelings? How can brain chemistry and electricity be ‘about’ things? Can physical activities literally be mental activities? Physical and mental activities seem so radically different.
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Andy Clark is a professor of philosophy and Chair in Logic and Metaphysics at the University of Edinburgh in Scotland.
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Listen! Your destinction is wrong. The real „living“, the „beeing“, the „god“, the „creator“, the „mind“, the „self“, "Geist", the „subject“ (of knowledge) does never appear in science. It is already substracted out (in the process of thinking, respectively in the constitution of this perspective), otherwise this tool (science) would be completely useless to it. The „subject“ (of knowledge) can never appear in science and even not in reflexion! It is always bigger than everything you can demonstrate to it. The actual and real beeing will always remain invisible, like Thales explained. So thats the difficulty with the philosophical self-knowledge (Selbsterkenntnis), because it is about the invisible! And this invisible beeing is what „mind“ and „spirit“ („Geist“) really means! ✌️
What is the mind-body problem? Simple. That there are the mind and the body.
I think Andy Clark is on to something. To me, his take is pretty good.
Again, Mind is the boss.
Critical thinking is using the Mind’s mental abilities such as Observation, Comprehension, etc. Play tennis is using the Mind’s mental abilities. Use your Mind is the Way to extend your Mind and your mental abilities.
What is the Mind? How does Mind produce mental abilities? How does Mind-brain interface? What is the radical way of relating Mind to God? I will tell you later when the fate is blessing.
That's more like it, this is a good approach because we can study what brains can do and explore various possibilities without physically tempering with brain mass of a living subject. I'm quite sure we will learn more about brains by simply using it than what they can do with this organ in eugenic labs.
At least Andy Clark does not equate the mind with the brain. I'd like to know how he defines 'mind' as he believes it is extended to external objects. It can't be the immaterial "thinking thing" of Descartes.
I think that the Invisible Gorilla Test is powerful evidence for the predictive brain concept, or in other words – the extent to which the brain is active in organizing – and not just interpreting – the huge flux of sensory input from the outside world. At least, I remember how shocked I was after taking this test and realizing firsthand how much my own brain designs ahead of time what part of the scene I would see and what part I would not, even if that part is one huge gorilla standing and pounding its chest on the middle of the frame!
The so called 'mind-body' problem is an invention based on ignorance,
Mr. Kuhn is obsessed with his brain-psychosis.
Forget about the brain, if You want to understand the nature of consciousness.
You are Here and Now, your consciousness is Here and Now.
The body is Not older than 1½ year. No one have seen the Living behind the Being.
Body present Stuff-Side, and Consciousness present Life-Side.
still no closer
All the geniuses from the 'scientific' world are coming with all kind of manipulating and destructive ideas for how to create another kind of human beings.
Why is that? Many of them do not understand how the brain truly works or how molecules work in our body – but they sure have ideas of how to destroy everything.
If our creator, which is much more intelligent, did not create us with a surroundings full of electronic gadgets and chips – there is a reason for that.
Already now, there is enough evidence that many people suffer from stress and other disturbances because of electronic noise and usage. Many people suffer from tiredness, luck of concentration, confusion and many more symptoms that point to – polluted environment.
So why all those AI and mind control idiots want to create more of this stuff? Where is the social and human conciousness here? Science is not an automatic synonym with intelligence or cleverness – it is just a tool to understand the reality we live in. If it is being used to destroy or pollute the reality we live in, well those 'scientist' didn't get a damn thing.
All those programs and initiatives are coming from The Pentagon, DARPA, and the US government. Nothing is coincident. Those are long terme programs and they use huge amount of money and resources on that. This channel is just to see what people think about the matter. I think it is a disaster. The whole American society is run by the military headquarter in The Pentagon. They have very dire plans.. very unintelligent, very destructive.. They even use Disney to bring they sick ideas on.. just unbelievable..
Read some more here: https://www.darpa.mil/program/our-research/darpa-and-the-brain-initiative
"How is it possible that mushy masses of brain cells, passing chemicals and shooting sparks, can cause mental sensations and subjective feelings?" The simple answer is they don't. There has to be a centralized information system stored outside the human brain cells….How else can hemispherectomy be explained when half of the brain mass is removed and it seems as if it was never needed…
OMG. Dear cameraman: please let that thing standing on a stand. Don't touch it after you pushed "RECORD". Okay?
It's a well-known fact that the human brain has a limited working memory. So, working out some complicated mathematics on paper, rather than in your head, is a lot easier and more efficient. Because you extend your working memory on paper, when you write things down. Instead of keeping it all in your head, you write it down and have much more information in your view, than is biologically possible to hold in the short-term memory of your brain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_memory
That's what Richard Feynman meant when he said that working things out on paper was a part of how he came up with his ideas. He extended his working memory and made it much bigger by writing things down on paper.
It's the same kind of thing with other devices, such smartphones for example. These are tools that extend limited abilities of the brain to recall information and find it.
People are now talking about integrating computer chips with the human brain and extending human mental abilities this way. So, if you could put in a chip that increases your working memory a lot. Then you won't need a pen and paper anymore to work out some complicated math. You would be able to do it in your head. Because the chip that enlarges your working memory would be a substitute for the pen and paper, and it would work a lot faster and better too.
They won't find god there either.
Its not like our abilities are something new. We are just better at it.
This mind body connection took several yrs of your life too get it too work together consistently.
Mind is more subtle than physical/brain and interacts weakly with physical
Consciousness is more subtle than mind and interacts very weakly with Mind
Yoga helps unify these diverging entities that are moving farther away due to technology addiction
Hmm? Years ago a crystal radio ….without batteries or internal power….with nothing but a piece of wire and a crystal…..I used to listen to the invisible undetectable noise in the box! I opened it up and looked at all the bits …bits…bits..And then went to school and all the bits were never put back from what I learned in The Established Education “””””Rut””””””. But I self discovered that all is not in the box of crystal and wire…..Er? Brain, except Biological Wet food, crystal and wire….The Mind, Conscious, And Intelligence we’re still figuring out how to communicate that to the Brain….Our brains! “One Consciousness” many brains (crystal radio receivers).
Another panpsychist?
Only a small percentage of the whole iceberg is visible above the surface. In this way, the iceberg is like the mind-body. The conscious mind-body is what we notice above the surface while the unconscious mind-body, the largest and most powerful part, remains unseen below the surface. Once the intuition is fluent, it will continue easily, unless it is plugged. The most usual blockages are because of the conscious judgmental mind-body (Harsh judgements or inflating judgement are destructive of both.) of the intuitive information. The best way to avoid this is to get the cooperation of the conscious mind-body so it will step aside and become the observer when intuition is being accessed.
As far as we scientifically know at the moment: assuming the brain can produce consciousness is the same as believing a wire can produce electricity.
The riddle of the Mind-Body problem has not been resolved despite what Kuhn and his Atheist buddies would like you to believe. Science still does not understand what or how consciousness is produced, does not know if the brain produces consciousness alone, and Science does not yet even know what actually "Consciousness" is made up of, what kind of energy if one could even call it that.
However, that being said – Kuhn does show his ignorance (if not biased arrogance) by providing a full episode interview of Susan Blackmore, and not someone like Bruce Greyson or Parnia when it comes to the extensive scientific research into Near-Death phenomena, but Kuhn also has dismissed entirely the mountain of evidence that has been scientifically presented to him and others in Psi research. Which indicates quite readily that consciousness appears to not be entirely dependent or even entirely correlated with brain activity – as there is much evidence right now that does indeed correlate brain activity with consciousness. But correlation is not causation.
Nor does arrogant bias replace seeking of truth which Kuhn and his atheist friends should be given a failing grade at this point.
Dr. Michael Egnor would be a great interview https://youtu.be/BqHrpBPdtSI
no problem at all unless you're stuck in the philosophy of Descarte and haven't learned anything newer than that.
a "good show" by the interviewer and interviewee, andy clark is certainly coming along in developing his hypothesis in depth and consistency, proof of course as to the validity of "extended mind"
interestingly i notice some parallels with emmanuel levinas
what makes for a good interviewer is some humility about their own ideas and a willingness to explore the ideas of the interviewee, doesn't seem difficult and its done well here, but so rare in most of the web and media content
shitty interviewer…. his understanding is extremely superficial and doesn't let dr clark reach any depth or explain anything well
So fascinating concepts! The parallel with movie compression algorithms, though only an example of efficient compression, did ring a bell. It looks reasonable that concentrating on the prediction errors would be similarly efficient. It reminds me of the fact that one would not notice his/her own hair on the skin (here the sensory input is predicted due to its integration over a long time), whereas a small foreign object would be easily noticed.
Does the mind act on brain like writing on piece of paper or typing on computer?
Andy Clark is a good philosopher of cyber topics.
Very interesting. I feel like he's pointing to obvious things (we're affected by the environment) and trying to talk about them in a different way. Problem is, I don't think it's a better, more insightful way. It's the same stuff we know with a slight shift in emphasis, like paying more attention to verbs in a sentence rather than nouns… but it's the same sentence. Thoughtful but a bit thin.
In my opinion right brain thinking is now completely outdated and dead . all the questions of science can be answered by computer programs and nothing is gained by thinking about what is or is not the case . we have the art-/technology to perceive each other’s thoughts and no one contributes anything by asking other people about what their unique DNA 🧬 profile actually says in that mad new language of genetics god talks
Does cognition use mathematics for mind (computation)?
Extended cognition / mind also uses mathematics in the environment? Does extended cognition demonstrate mind in the environment?
Is the predictive brain about information into the future?
Might the predictive brain use quantum probabilities for the evolution of information?
As the physical brain moves from past to future, it uses prediction, then extension, then cognition?
Another perspective on the same scene is to explore the contrast between efficiency and intelligence, and its relationship with time.
Hmm… is this at the top of ethics for use or design of algorithm? … Does responsible design consider this function as something they want to protect or not cause cognition damage, despite society messing it up anyways. I spose limitation or avoidance of internet would be highly recommended but not really detectable as the main cause for changes in mental states? Crazy though, got more answers in the last 2 years than in all of my prior 40 years put together 😳. Makes you wonder if internet is empowering autonomy or helping the user, help the designer, dream up a future meta-kong. Can almost hear Πborg singing now… 🎶 what a wonderful world. Stranger things no? Idk maybe it was simply another cigar smoking, whiskey drinking space cowboy. Urgh gawd I wish it was Friday already!
I've booked a flight to the USA and the agent told me I will not have a "physical" ticket.
Instead, I will have an "eticket". So there really are non-physical things in the world !
And therefore, we have solved the mind/body problem.
I have hair growing out of my ears. I wish I didn't have to shave. Consciousness is one more liability. Sleep is a blessing, provided no bad dreams, which is a rarity.
I think this interviewer isn’t very smart. He clearly cannot believe that Andy Clark believes what he is saying, because his mental model of cognition and the brain constrains him.
Fascinating perspective. It left me with more questions than answers, which is probably the hallmark of a meaningful philosophical conversation. I'm looking forward to exploring this topic further.