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In Philosophy Babble – The Great Minds Series
In this series;
We are honoured to have Prof. Donald Hoffman, a distinguished cognitive psychologist and professor at the University of California, Irvine, renowned for his pioneering work on consciousness, visual perception, and evolutionary psychology. Alongside him, we have the insightful Resident Swami and head off the Vedanta Society of New York, Swami Sarvapriyananda, known for imparting the profound wisdom of Vedanta to audiences worldwide.
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Swami Sarvapriyananda’s
website – https://www.vedantany.org
channel – https://www.youtube.com/@UCZOKv_xnTzyLD9RJmbBUV9Q
Summary:
In “The Great Minds Series: Conscious Reality,” we navigate an enlightening dialogue where Prof. Hoffman and Swami Ji merge the profound teachings of Advaita with the frontiers of modern science. They begin by sharing personal journeys that have shaped their views on philosophy and consciousness, emphasizing the need for mathematical precision in understanding consciousness and the philosophical depth of the Vedas. Discussions range from skepticism about our sensory ‘Headset’ to interpreting non-duality and the symbolism of perception in Advaita. Prof. Hoffman reveals transformative experiences that have redefined his theories, while the conversation also tackles the differentiation between reality and perception, the intersection of spirituality and science, and the completeness of inquiries into reality. Incorporating Isaac Asimov’s narratives and debates on physicality versus illusion, the episode culminates in a rich discourse on foundational philosophical issues and the nuances of Emergence, Complexity, and wave function collapse. Join us as we unravel these intricate topics, each moment delving deeper into the essence of being.
Timecodes
00:00 – Intro
01:58 – Both reveal how their individual experiences and contemplative insights have guided them to their present views in philosophy and science.
07:36 – Interpreting consciousness necessitates mathematical precision.
11:52 – The range of ideas and philosophies contained within the Vedas.
24:05 – A candid moment where Don expresses polite skepticism
33:08 – Swami Ji could see the ‘Headset’ as a symbol for how the mind filters reality, akin to Advaita’s view of perception.
37:29 – Pointers merely indicate; they aren’t the reality itself.
50:12 – Our ‘Headset’ is extremely dull!
01:00:39 – There are various pointers, and non-duality is one such pointer.
01:11:50 – Your body is merely your avatar.
01:33:22 – Prof. Hoffman has experienced reflective moments leading him to re-evaluate his perspectives on consciousness, which have influenced the evolution of his theories.
01:36:05 – How do you differentiate between what’s objectively ‘real’ and out perceptions of reality?
01:44:33 – Where do the paths of spirituality and science intersect?
01:46:18 – When does an inquiry reach its conclusion?
01:47:58 – The discussion turns to the concept of incompleteness in understanding reality.
01:51:14 – A brief explanation of Stationary Markov Chains in context.
01:54:03 – Swami Ji retell Isaac Asimov’s “The Last Question” by weaving it into a narrative that aligns with our conversation.
01:55:02 – A debate on the implications of bodily harm in the context of illusion and reality.
02:02:58 – Vinod suggests addressing foundational issues in philosophy to build a robust argument.
02:06:57 – Andy offers a counterpoint on the ideas of Emergence and Complexity.
02:14:57 – Unpacking the concept of Two Levels of Truth.
02:20:25 – Exploring arguments for wave function collapse and possible philosophical interpretations.
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Finally at 1:09:18 Don asks the right question. Who am I 🙂. Swamiji's deep understanding of the Ultimate Reality leads him to this point. Bravo 👏👏
If we are not able to measure beyond the plank scale due to high amount of energy required as the wavelength being really small, how does this show that space time is doomed ? I dont understand genuinely can someone please explain
Very enlightening conversation…
A conversation between David and Firas Zahabi would also give great insights into what our minds seek of truth.
You all use the word Consciousness but ultimately Consciousness is undefinable too imho. At best it’s a pointer to some thing unknowable. It therefore is not useful to throw the word around as if it’s a “known”. This conversation is about the “emperor’s clothes”
Religion should not be associated with spirituality. Religion is a man made abomination eating at the essence of spirituality. The spirituality that is the catalyst for religion may be the basis of all but religion is not.
What is Reality? 🙏Rorri Maesu says useaMirroR 🙏
Great video.
I would like to see a serious DMT researcher with a neuroscience background added to this conversation.
Let's assume there is a nondual ultimate realm. However, reality as it unfolds to us is unquestionably dual.
Once you accept causality and maya as different from pure non dual reality you are admitting two not one.Advaita is then wrong.
Real nonduality is more coherent in a purely materialistic universe where there is only oneness of matter. Once you introduce nonduality as a metaphysical concept you are establishing duality and then end up in endless conflict and contradiction between the ideal to be grasped, reached, attained and a miserable limited condition of suffering. But in fact a non "spiritual" approach where you accept reality as it is and don't project anything beyond life as it is, is the way out of conflict and perplexity. That is peace to me. I don't have to explain anything beyond life with all its contradictions and don't have to escape from it.
The problem of all these new scientists is they are uneducated in philosophy. Science can only get as far. Philosophy helps you live wisely. Read the great western philosophers and come to your own synthesis. And Hindu/ Buddhist answers are mere escapism, rebellion against our inability to accept the misery and suffering of life as it is.
*Particles of Reality 13 Dec 23
Our Holodeck Earth, is atoms all bound
Look closer than that, reality breaks down
A molocule is the smallest, of identifiable matter
If we remove another piece, both return to atoms
Atoms decorate with charges, whether pluses or minuses
Don't forget neutral, that's where all the spice is
The atoms that make up, a counter made of granite
Same atoms that I breathe, maybe I don't get it
Atoms are really, the building blocks of reality
Speak to us with double slits, it means co-reality
Observers of reality, it's beginning to seem
Are reality's glue, maintaining all the seams
C=A+C
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This reminds me of:
"Professor J. Z. Young in his Reith Lectures on 'Doubt and Certainty in Science' dismisses consciousness altogether, because, if consciousness 'is a thing in the ordinary sense, it could be observed directly like any other object.' Since it cannot be observed, he concludes that it must be rejected as an 'occult quality.'"~~S. Radhakrishnan, "Religion in a Changing World," page 80.
Nice topic
Lord Buddha teaches consciousness is formed of "energy" with help of the "six aggregates" within life as a phenomena and as a result of cause & effect. "Samsaara " wheel of life & death. All life energies end up to be nothingness.
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"What an amazing talk! I've always wanted Donald Hoffman and Swami Sarvapriyananda to come together for a talk, and it finally happened!". Don I'm great fan of your work
Self realized "Enlightened" Buddha", understood the entire universal phenomena on how conscious energies behave, designs with help of universal elements, which human six sensory aggregates perceptions , eye, ear, nose, tongue, body (touch), & mind feeling senses. call subjects physical universes as objects, amalgamate & generate to a "energy " which will produce a " thought" become a life " energies " as 31 realms of existence in this solar system. Within strength of attitudes of conscious energy forms. According to Lord Buddha, Human form is unique of all other forms, because of completed "Human Brain" which capable to enlightenment . In this very Human life. In Theravada Buddhism. Second chance is very minimum and rare to gain a Human life. 10000000000 to one. Factor of ." Kammic " phenomena Abhidhamma, Thrirpitaka, scriptures explains in authentic Buddhas' teachings.
@David Hoffman – @27:00 on wards – you just answered your own question/dilemma – that you cannot measure space smaller than 10^-33 and time smaller than 10^-44, because you need such intense amount of energy that it destroys the space which you are trying to measure. So you concluded that the theory of space-time is not true. What is it that destroyed the space-time concept? The energy-radiation. Hence the theory of Energy/Radiation for now can be assumed to be the successor of space-time. Energy/Radiation is nothing but Shakti in Sanskrit.
Conclusion is that it is Shakti which can destroy Space-time. That is why Hindus use fire, the purest form of energy, one of the pancha-maha-bhoota, to free-up space of a dead body whose time has ceased. That is what Vishnu means – "Vishwa ka Anu" – Atom of the Universe. And Big bang theory is nothing but the same as what Vasudeva Krishna says in Bhagwat Geeta – that everything comes from me (Big Bang) and everything merges back into me (Black Hole). Krishna then demonstrates to Arjuna in chapter 11 the Viraat roopa where there is immense radiation coming out of him (big bang radiation) and everything – good and evil getting consumed back in his mouth, without his stomach bulging, instead transforming the time and space that Vasudeva is consuming is processing back into Energy/Radiation/Shakti/Vishnu (Black Hole).
All the Indian Gurus,swamys and Babas are absolute FAKE.
Even those who appear sincere(like Jiddu Krishnamurthy or Osho) suffer from the wooly Vague hypocritical contradictory thought process.
In one sentence I can say with confidence that Indians can't see truth
so amazed to see and hear both the legends 🌸🌸🌸
If in Bharat {India} through 5000 years ago, If there were people who realized before Buddha, & spread the word of Enlightenment ? Why ? in 2600/ 3000 years ago, Bodhisattva Gothama Siddhartha went to seek the universal truth , After realizing & attain Enlightenment, the Buddha understood "four Noble Truths, the " base was "CONSCIOUS ENERGY", which designing Life, in 31 realms in our solar system & entire endless Universe !! Before Gothama Siddhartha's Enlightenment his last teachers were practicing Hinduism "vedaantha, in Sanskrit language " Five atheistic, who with Hindu yoga practice couldn't attain "Enlightenment only on , "Dhyaan " states of consciousness, stages is to Moksha. " Not for " Nibbana or liberation " !!! . After Enlightenment Lord Buddha selected to preach his theology {Dhamma } in "marghadee sound language" which later written in "pela dhahama" " pali" it was pure " sinhala" language. In Lanka dweepa. { Jambudweepa } In Buddha Dhamma dependent origination, "patichcha-samuppada " explains how process happening Human condition & other universal beings.
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My consciousness went to the singularity. It's an Infinite Abyss of Nothingness where existence doesn't even exist. NB: Swami's attentiveness is off the charts.
I tried something on my own almost an year ago.
I tried something to formulate on my own. Here is the gist of it:
1. Everything here is equated to one as per Vedas. Name it anything but the entity is one singular only.
2. Two contradictions(Purush-prakriti/knower-known/atma-anatma), when combine together, forms yoga & hence can be said as the formula of brahman.
With these two, can we propose something like:
X . Y = 1
&
X = 1. Y
&
X + Y = 0
&
X != Y
The problem here is this will not fruit into any mathematical framework available. That's the fallacy of mathematically executing the equation. The same can be called the theory of everything. But it cannot be put into mathematics as it's also an assumption to make.
Since I am not a mathematicia, to my limited understanding this could seem the truth. Donald and others would be great to be exploring this unity. Good luck to them!
Complete garbage and nonsense don't waste your time. It's like a kids explanation to why lightning happens..