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High profile atheist philosopher Daniel C Dennett goes head to head with Christian theologian Keith Ward in this extract from their debate on mind, consciousness and freewill.
In this excerpt Dennett and Ward debate the nature of the soul.
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Can’t wait to see all of this one
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Since this series began I've been looking forward to this debate the most. The pairing of opposition is about as close to perfect as you can get.
Two opposing philosophies, two A grade philosopher giants in their respective circles.
We can live forever and we still cannot prove or disprove that we have a "soul". We also cannot know where this soul in our bodies is; nor ever know what it is doing while residing in us.
As a Christian I dont think we have a soul. Or a spirit. I think all we are is body. Who we are will live on in some way after death, until the resurrection when we get new transformed bodies. The dualistic notion of body and soul is a pagan idea.
Information is not conscious (can not experience). Hence information cannot be a subject. Information can only be an object. Therefore Dennett is wrong.
The fact that we are 'rational' beings, means we know we possess something that is immaterial.
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This looks fascinating. Can’t wait. 4 minutes of this was better than an hour of Atkins waffling.
completely off topic but the unbelievable logo in the back reminds me of the amazon logo.
How is it possible to demonstrate an entity that's non-physical and undetectable as the cause?
There is this phenomena of self/consciousness that exists and only appears to exist for a person when their body contains a living working brain. So how can one excluded this incredibly positive correlation as the most likely explanation in favour of a soul which has never been observed and is undetectable due to being stipulated as non-physical. We have no way to investigate the non- physical (if it's even a thing).
So how can we be justified believing a non-phyical entiry as more likey a cause than the brain, we can't..
The substance of thought is also the subject of thought. The object thought [about] is also the thinking subject. These are two sides of the same coin that is self-consciousness. Reality belongs to the same unity as our ideas and our ideas belong to the same unity as reality.
Experience forms the patterns and habits of the self. The memories inform the origin and history of the pattern. Brain injury leading to memory loss does not necessarily destroy the experienced patterns.
Years of listening to the ‘unbelievable’ radio program and still waiting for any real evidence of Gods existence to be presented?
Atheism is the belief that there are no good reasons to believe that God exists. There are however many good reasons to believe that God does exist. So atheism is redundant and of itself as a belief system, it is illogical.
There is no reason to be dishonest other than to be a complete liar.
There is no reason to be an atheist except to oppose God of righteousness.
Lk 10:19 Jesus speaking: "I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy". "Enemy" is anyone who does not believe in Jesus. The verse is just too stupid to ever read it. And it is a huge lie.
Do we have an immaterial soul?
No! When the breath of life leaves the body, the body returns to dust. All thinking ends in death.
The only thing left is the memory of us in the mind of Yahweh.
And Judeo-Christians have been getting it wrong all along!! 😂😂😂
This is going to be SUPER interesting. The soul (or not) seems to me to be a very big deal in terms of so many other areas.
Yes. The fact when we dream we go places proves that the soul is immaterial. The intellect itself is immaterial
'I' am immaterial. As proof I have removed my brain and continue to function absolutely as normal.
Daniel Dennett (#51), David Hume (#28), and Peter Atkins (#304) in current top 360 greatest atheists ever rankings:
https://www.ranker.com/list/greatest-atheists-of-all-time/libb-thims
I find it hard to believe that some people still have a hard time realising are brains are the thing that interprets the world around us. Chemicals and signals. As Dan put it, not a ghost in the machine but our neural networks making sense of input info from our senses.