Does Math Reveal Reality?

38 thoughts on “Does Math Reveal Reality?”

1. Experience reveals reality… Math is a model

2. math comes from within our reality and is a fitted langwage.
   our reality cannot be furthered by any means from within it.

3. Is he asking over and over why some times it makes no sense but you agree and disagree with its what I call the forgiveness/savor that helps and let's you not getting physical punishment for things you couldn't know were trying to hurt you

4. I'm still trying to multiply 11×11

5. Consider divine REVELATION, most probably this is too hard for you, I understand.

6. To understand why physics does not include the reality of consciousness was referred to by Brian Green as 'a phase transition' that he wished for himself. What did it for me was The Dramatic Universe in four volumes by John G bennett who among other things was a mathematician.

7. great work

8. Why does such a weak force as gravity need to be part of particle physics. Wouldn’t gravitational waves be so close to zero that they could be ignored?

9. How does math explain increasingly complex and chaotic systems -like how a butter fly wing flap will affect the weather tomorrow, or what I'll eat tomorrow for breakfast or how life came avout

10. Every generation makes math and everything else more complicated.

11. I'd like to see an expanded version of this discussion. Maybe a 2 or even 3 hour presentation.

12. Math only “reveals” reality if you base your reality on math. I don’t suggest you do this. Is math powerful for understanding and quantifying aspects of reality? Absolutely; it’s an amazing tool.

    But beware the trap of thinking you know

13. Reality revels math

14. Is the 'magic' of mathematics in the perceived stability of laws for anything to exist in the first place; and in the case that anything exists, that stability can be described by a logical structure, itself depending on a consistent qualitative and categorical reality ? If the logical structure didn't work, the universe would change so rapidly we wouldn't have been able to take form and deploy logical structure successfully in the first place?

15. How could mathematics exist in and be a product of the universe, and yet not part of reality? Can something be in the universe and not be some aspect of reality? Does anything – even math – exist separate from the universe and reality?

16. This guy is in love with Einstein. In all his videos he mentions Einstein within one minute. IT'S SO ANNOYING. I don't watch anymore with him.

17. Mathematics is not reality itself, if it was then we would not need any other subject called ' physics '. Physics is already everything. Just for understanding physics, we use math. And mathematics is a language for physics and the other subjects. Mathematicians just build up this language so we can describe more better.

18. The brilliant pedagogue, Prof Greene beautifully takes us into the realm of uncertainty. Math is a conception of the human brain and we know little bout how impressions are turned into perceptions and then into facts. Usually CONSISTENCY with the brain's expectations makes it so. So desperate are we for consistency that our brains cheat on our senses. And then, who is more desperate for consistency that a scientists whose room and board depend on his consistency, hence statistics as an approximation. Thus, should the math fit, then the conviction. But once in love with the math or the science, one delves into the unseeable with math as a successive approximation substituting for a magic lens. Indeed, a well trained mind more often finds itself so desperate so as to see what perpetuates its need. It's estimated that some 1/3 of"science" submitted is "flawed"; what the scientist wished the math to shows him. Such has been the history of science where only competitors discredit the wishful thinking of the submitter. I study the brain and have been embarrassed at how often my brain deceived me about what is really "Eureka!" How much more guts does it take for Prof Green to see multiverses than for me to distinguish tumor mass to be removed from brain circuits to be left untouched in removing the tumor? His answer about going back and forth explains so well why I so love to hear him think out loud. We were wrong to think the moon made of green cheese, but we may find out that one of Uranus' could be! science has long evolved beyond our sense as has math beyond our logic. Like two maids seeking marriage, they could well be deceiving us, their heart struck suitors. In the end, between the unseen macro and micro are representation that we rely on when facing the public that funds us. A Nobel Prize thus makes for a far "greater" sci/philo-ist than does the math, the science and all the billions of words in print. Let's know that we don't know and then stand in salute of the rats, monkeys, and astronauts that sacrifice their lives to enable the great sci-math debates to go on. And let's not forget the monkish grad students that sacrifice their youth supporting scientists and betting their lives on the scientists' and mathematicians' claims. Yet, without sci-math were just squabbling chimps or collared clergy. God bless Prof. Green, though he wouldn't bless God!

19. Red / Green / Wavelengths / Color / Eye / Optic Nerve / Occipital Lobe / Human Need to distinguish / For Survival / Evolution.

20. The pictures, sights and sounds, smells and touch, that we perceive in our brain as consciousness – has nothing to do with the reality of our universe and our surroundings. Because, in Reality, our Universe is a black colourless silent placement of objects that we are completely unfamiliar with. Our experience of an observable reality, that is manufactured by our brain as consciousness, is in fact, a falsehood.

21. Bull. Idiocy… is an imperfect human tool, not an object nor a fact nor a process .

22. 31:29 – Does Math Reveal Reality? My answer is 'Yes'. Look, I'm not a mathematician but I am a theorist. In my mind, reality is the benchmark against which Math is measured. In other words, 'reality' is the treasure map, 'math' is the treasure. Reality is the answer, Math is the question. Reality is the feast, Math is the flavor.' Math, by any other name, can only smell as sweet as 'reality' allows.

23. Anyone else notice the “Entrory” on the intro of the second guest? 😂

24. My four friends had 2 apples and we all wanted our fair share of apple. I can't imagine a world of community without languages and without math. I could alone but not in community with others. Even self talk would be difficult unless like some, I thought in pictures.

25. This has to be one of the most fascinating topics and discussions I've ever seen on WSF. Its honestly quite scary to think that math's could be just an intuitive concept of human consciousness. I don't think there's anything more humbling than that thought. My personal opinion is that Math is a manmade concept, a language we use to contemplate, measure, describe & predict what we see & interact with. It appears to me that the brain is a quantum mechanical system, and the process of the wave function collapsing produces the brains default program which we can math. It almost certainly isn't the final story in our continued development of knowledge & understanding of the universe as a whole. The question is, is it sophisticated or efficient enough to describe everything? I personally don't think so. Consider this; Imagine there's a completely unobservable pocket of the universe where our own known laws of physics don't apply. Electrons, protons, neutrons etc. simply do not exist here. The aliens don't see photons and consequently will never know or need to know of humans being present in the cosmos. They may describe their understanding of what they ''see'' in a completely different way, a way in which we will never be able to understand or at least not within the lifetime of the universe. Will we have enough time to evolve to the point that we can fully understand and describe the universe? Almost definitely not. The universe is much more complicated than we could ever imagine.
    I think we have and are continuing to do some amazing things in math's & the sciences in which we will all benefit certainly in the development of technologies. Should we waste out time trying to figure all this out? probably not but it is a lot of fun 🙂

26. Math is a tool to describe reality using numbers and symbols instead of words. This tool should not be mistaken for being reality itself. Consciousness is also the same since it perceives the world but it should not be thought of as being caused by the world.

27. FUCKING INSULTING

28. Maths can but it's about the scale as math only explains a perspective your perspective is human you can only calculate what you see you can't calculate the scale without creating new math as our universe is in a single cell so the cell is an egg and the egg sits in ? We see eggs everywhere and we are in a universe beings inside beings we have every possible existence of life for life instincts it's why we dream and imagine

29. Honestly, this whole talk is pointless.

    The questions are not very insightful and the answers are plain to see.

    "Is math invented or discovered?"
    Both. Syntax is invented, Theorems are discovered because they were always there before we invented it.

    "Are there math objects out there ready to be discovered?"
    Yes. They are not physical objects, though they are abstract objects that are discovered after a set of logical rules is in place.

    "Is Math a description of our reality or just an approximate?"
    Obviously just an approximation. Everything is an approximate. Even when we discover the rules that reality operates on we will have to use approximations for the emergence.

    Like I said, none of these are too difficult to answer and a whole hour was wasted talking about these things that are disguised as Insightful.

30. Math is both invented and discovered.

    The syntax of our maths is invented, it could conceivably be another way just like languages are.

    However, the truth that math communicates is discovered because it is eternal.

31. I think mathematics is just the language humanity uses to define the nature of the world around us from an individual and collective perception.

32. Are physics equations invented or discovered?

    F= (mass)(acceleration)

    Were the laws of physics imposed on matter by human decree?

    Or, were these laws discovered?

    Do numbers exist because it was the will of some person that numbers be as they are?

    Or, are numbers discovered by our consciousness?

    Can numbers be proven to exist, independent of human consciousness?

    Maybe, metaphysics has something to teach modern day people who have ripped out the physics from metaphysics?

    Gödel Incompleteness Theorems has to be faced head on by materialist: His fundamental results showed that in any consistent axiomatic mathematical system there are propositions that cannot be proved or disproved within the system and that the consistency of the axioms themselves cannot be proved.

33. 1:25:30 I empathize with the guy who is in a mental prison, a material/physical worldview that worships his own intellect…he is in love with his own ideas…yet he has no idea that he is not his gathered information, he is the thing that is understanding.

    A fractal patterns underlies our human experience…a symbolic worldview allows you to see that Plato's divided line is the structure onto which the Allegory of the Cave is built on.

34. Tegmark almost feels like a modern day Plato arguing for math itself as the realm of the forms. Whatever the truth is our minds were optimized over millions of years for things like visual edge detection, threat modeling, etc. so our path through math and much of our perception of it is thus understood with a human bias. I feel like we fall too easily into a fallacy of thinking we have found these immortal solid forms and discovered something essential to the universe and yet the fact that we conceive of them at all is likely influenced by deeply human factors that feel so natural we rarely account for them.

35. 25:50 interesting to see them talk. In past Livestreams Brian has said he thinks it is a language we invented to describe reality.

36. Since math is a observable principle, it only exists if there is interest of it.

37. With the theory of relativity meant to explain universal gravity and its organized support of activities, is suggesting a more advanced point of view of gravity to Newton's finding(s), based on gravitational orbits being elliptic, and not fully circular for equal force retention support of its area's activities.

38. Quantum still seems to be the logic of what is got/found as a response from a estimated mass structure being examined based on the pursued of its smaller less observable details to becoming observation responses, not the following of the individual detail precision make ups that would fully allow them to be display them as mathematic graph points; thus for now what is allowing for the distance comparison and association finds at any distances of two areas – or the spectrum tests done of Space, considering Earth is in Space. Simply shared perspectives of distance observations.

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