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Consciousness is what we can know best and explain least. It is the inner subjective experience of what it feels like to see red or smell garlic or hear Beethoven. Consciousness has intrigued and baffled philosophers. To begin, we must define and describe consciousness. What to include in a complete definition and description of consciousness?
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Sir Roger Penrose is an English mathematical physicist, recreational mathematician and philosopher. He is the Emeritus Rouse Ball Professor of Mathematics at the Mathematical Institute of the University of Oxford, as well as an Emeritus Fellow of Wadham College.
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Please read hindu philosophy
So why does evolution favor intelligence and logical thinking?
4 Different experimental evidences demonstrate that consciousness works at a distance as an entity – consciousness not only as a brain function, but as an entity in itse.
It makes sense to look for a possible theoretical interpretation of physical phenomena as: macro-experimental actions of consciousness non-local, repeatable?
10% I start filming clouds without any image.
The cloud begins to move slowly to form the desired image.
90% of the portraits are almost complete before I see the clouds.
I see anything through one or two solid barriers held in my hands, the first barrier held tightly before my eyes: stones, lead, hands.
With two objects, for example: a small radio measuring 14 x 7 x 3 cm. and a mirror: images that change every 5 seconds. I have to say what they represent.
Distance with one barrier: 7 meters
With two barriers: 5.7 meters
Available 24/7 for testing.
3. I demonstrate the esistence of second hands = second body.
4. I see the second body indirectly of the cat, dog; the animals react physically with movements visible to everyone.
So u would invest in consciousness not missiles
Rainbow picture our Eternal Over-Consciousness, (Eternity-Body and Mother-Energy)
Colors our Under-Consciousness = Day-Consciousness and Night-Consciousness, (Under-Bodies and Basic-Energies)
Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Blue, Indigo.
Instinct, Gravity, Feeling, Intelligence, Intuition, Memory. (Basic-Developing-Circuit)
We are Gravity-Beings, (Sphinx>) about to become Feeling-Beings.
At night, We move our Day-Consciousness to the Night-Bodies, Deep-sleep, one by one, via our Coupling-Body, REM-sleep.
The Life-Desire is the Force/Motor of Life, Hunger- and Satisfaction-Principles is the Compass.
In direct extension of the Life-Desire, We have Will, Life-side and Gravity, Stuff-side.
Our Basic-Energies have Life-side and Stuff-side, the first three is the Stuff-bearing, but all Mind- and Phys.-Stuff,
is compositions of all six.
So, the Day-Consciousness is the Window to Reality, Thinking is the Printer of Reality, the Point of the Energies Turn,
is when In-Put become Out-Put, (collapse of the wave-function)
All experiences is Feeling-experiences, first hand, the Contrast-princip and Perspective-Princip make Feeling into Sensing.
We are analog to Brain-cells in Earths Mind and Body, (Life-Unit-Princip) Earth also have Night-Consciousness, 'dead' and sleeping, is part of Earths Night-Consciousness. After Day-Consciousness leave the physical body permanent, by dead,
we 'stay' in the Night-Bodies, about same time as our last physical age, young people come soon back, but even very old,
max 100 years in the Night-Bodies.
The most Basic in the Mind and Body structure of Living Beings, Life-Units, is the Masculine Princip, Sending and the
Feminine Princip, Recieving.
At our previous Developng-Circuit, We were Organ-Beings, opposite sexes than this current Body-Circuit, our physical body mirror the Developing-Circuit, at Organ-level, our Stomach is a Gravity-Being, We eat when awake.
So, it is a very extensive to further study, but here is some of the most basic, to give and idea of our Eternal Life, Development and Consciousness.
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In order to explain consciousness it is necessary to abandon all previous ideas about it
Interesting, and the worst part is that applying this via complex mathematics is deeply complicated and that's with trackable proven methods of true/false answers.
Add art into that mix and it's on another level! I bet along the way the both will feed off and help the other find answers
Well, AI which is computation should be able to transcend a proof system and see (like humans can) that some statements are not provable.
Its sleep therapy u have to do
Science will figure it out someday. In the future science will make super genius babies to help advance our species.
I have no idea but it's connected to intelligence. The more intelligent you are the more conscious you are. A genius has an advanced level of consciousness.
Nicholas Humphrey's Phenomenal Consciousness may explain the 'when' of emergence in warm-blooded animals but that doesn't have to be at odds with Penrose and Hammeroff's OrchOR which addresses the 'how' it emerges
Continuous Quantum Coupling Model
Core Claim
Conscious brain dynamics are continuously coupled to quantum degrees of freedom.
Not just intermittently triggered —
but structurally and persistently entangled or correlated with quantum-level states.
Minimal Formal Structure
Let:
𝑋(𝑡)
X(t) = classical neural state (macroscopic degrees of freedom)
𝑄(𝑡)
Q(t) = quantum state (Hilbert space state vector or density matrix)
Instead of:
𝑋˙=𝐹(𝑋)X˙=F(X)
we now assume:
𝑋˙=𝐹(𝑋,𝑄)X˙=F(X,Q)
and𝑄˙=𝐺(𝑄,𝑋)Q˙=G(Q,X)
This defines a bidirectionally coupled hybrid dynamical system.
If taken seriously, the full state is:
Ψ(𝑡)∈𝐻𝑏𝑟𝑎𝑖𝑛⊗𝐻𝑒𝑛𝑣Ψ(t)∈Hbrain⊗Henv
Meaning:
The brain is not purely classical.
It is part of an open quantum system.
Two Strong Versions
Weak Continuous Coupling
The brain is continuously influenced by quantum noise.
No macroscopic coherence.
No long-lived entanglement.
This collapses back to stochastic open quantum systems theory.
Not very radical.
Strong Continuous Coupling
Certain neural degrees of freedom remain quantum-coherent.
Macroscopic states depend on non-classical correlations.
Possibly non-factorizable across subsystems.
This is where decoherence becomes critical.
Logical Strengths
Structural Unity
If consciousness requires irreducible global integration,
continuous quantum entanglement could in principle supply non-factorizability.
Logical possibility: ✔
Non-Classical Correlation Resource
Entanglement provides correlations not reducible to classical probability distributions.
This is a genuine structural resource.
Logical strength: ✔
Major Logical Challenges
Now the serious part.
Decoherence Problem
At brain temperature (~310K):
Decoherence times for superposed states in warm, wet environments are estimated to be extremely short (often < 10⁻¹³ s in typical models).
Unless:
shielding mechanism
error correction
decoherence-free subspace
topological protection
are demonstrated,
persistent macroscopic coherence is physically implausible.
Logical status:
✖ Requires a protective mechanism.
Scale Bridging Problem
How do quantum amplitudes influence:
membrane potentials
spike timing
network-level attractors
in a controlled, non-random way?
Without an amplification mechanism, quantum effects average out.
Logical gap:
✖ Missing cross-scale mapping.
Redundancy Problem
Classical nonlinear systems already exhibit:
criticality
chaos
global integration
metastability
So:
What explanatory power does quantum coupling add that classical dynamics cannot?
If none:
Quantum component becomes ontologically redundant.
Empirical Signature
A strong continuous coupling model must predict something like:
non-classical correlation patterns
violation of classical noise statistics
quantum coherence signatures in neural substrates
Currently, there is no robust evidence of such macroscopic quantum signatures in brain dynamics.
Logical status:
✖ Lacks empirical differentiator.
Clean Structural Reformulation
The strongest non-mystical version would be:
Consciousness corresponds to a dynamically sustained, non-factorizable quantum-classical hybrid state in which certain neural degrees of freedom occupy decoherence-resistant subspaces that influence macroscopic neural attractor structure.
That is the most precise possible statement of the strong version.
Brutally Honest Assessment
Internally coherent?
✔ Yes.
Compatible with current physics?
Weak version: ✔
Strong version: highly doubtful without new mechanism.
Scientifically supported?
Currently: No.
Logically impossible?
No.
But the burden of proof is enormous.
Is my red your red? Probably not
Here a word for you REMEMBERANCE! 😅
Telepathy is being able to tap in this common universal consciousness. Also what they call "downloads from the source" … Also prophecies or someone who can tell the future Are able to tap. Consciousness, subconsciousness , awakening = ability to tap to this universal/common consciousness/knowledge. We are all born conscious
(Commenting Two Years Later) – Still thinking about this today, and still not sure where I land really. Does consciousness boil down – in it's simplest state – to "a decision is made"?
Oke, finally Penrose admits that the books about the universal soundhelix (klankhelix, Lauthelix – ISBN.DE) are right. The PERMUTATIO in language never was studied in the right way: read from the backside to the frontside like in TOEVERLAAT / TAALREVOLTE. Reason why the Large Linguistic Modells could be develop further. Also the fourth row of the W next to P, T and K which gives a fourth row M. Now 25% of language could be more integrated. Markus Kühbacher was the first whistleblower in Germany who already proves that the articles and books about rhe soundhelix did show us the way to "transzendentes Bewusstsein" (conciousness). A pity that Penrose is not honest about the real source he is presenting here. Feynman maby right but he didn't have the slichtest idea how it really functions! Its all in our language.
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