Why is Consciousness Baffling? | Episode 401 | Closer To Truth

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1. CONSCIOUSNESS IS BAFFLING CAUSE YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN A SUPREME BEING. And youre asking a bunch of Scientists about SPIRITUAL CONCEPTS.
   Thats like asking a Fish to teach you how to climb a tree.

2. Nature doesn't know that it has created consciousness. It has arisen gradually, hardly noticeable. Some living creatures have NO consciousness at all although they have great sensory organs. They are "robots" or "zombies". Some have it to some degree. Others have it almost as much as we have it, in a seamless progression. So it's not an on/off switch. It's evolution.

   Do newborn babies have a conscious mind? I don't think so. So it's not only a product of evolution but also a product of individual development.

3. Q: What is Consciousness?
   A: a simple photon pulse!

4. Quantum mechanics is the one which can give the solution to every bizzare nature of reality

5. Does he know about the double sliths experiment and DMT???

6. To baffle of course🥂.
   How quantum thinking
   is something special 🌔✨
   After the Fukushima disaster 2011, I began collecting minds at CrazyLa AirG, referring to myself as a "quantum mechanist". The science/pseudoscience was still so new quantum physicists were still being picked on for calling themselves scientists. *Shrugs*. So I grabbed it & claimed it. Quantum is no persons or company's intellectual property. *Pats myself on the chest*. Mine. & I spoke it like a 1st language. More. Like it were my very teeth.

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   I weigh up everything i think & anything that's said to me for potential depth of life within. Quantum ideas don't feel as though they need to be weighed. It feels as though quantum thinking might take delight in the sustained joy of quantum thinkers. It makes me laugh so hard I sometimes cry. It can make me freeze & not breath at all in awe. Whilst i enjoy charting the mind, it will be just like my quantum thinking mind to both bridge gaps & open doors, but then walk through walls anyway as well. It might be a unique perk that quantum thinking may construct pathways through the mind, just ahead of the thoughts that would establish them.

   *Feels like I've arrived somewhere way too early, in way too bright a dress*.

   Walks up to the jukebox & pops on tunes & lights

   All I write is free.
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   ⛓️💃 https://youtu.be/BVjsberxu58

   https://youtu.be/D5Y11hwjMNs

   https://youtu.be/MsnegUwNmPY

   🥂If I were to collect minds, reduce the degrees of separation betwixt us to disenfranchise flailers & reduce degrees between them, might I help cause a ripple effect of flailers?
   Might that the mentality of the flailing solipsistic be ..to ebb 😉. That they ebb, is it a sign that we flow forward? ..I tend to think particles of philosophers, who when walking singularly into crowded rooms only see eachother, over ones who make friends for reasons other than they respect them who I regard as a wave.
   I regard philosophers as particles, having wondered that like we were the culmination of the 5 we're closest to, ..were stars also. And I thought, what might it be like never to know that stars (like men) don't all look like one another. Might one day, if reviewed & redescribed as history expands as does universe & we change beneath & including our noses as truth faster than light stubs us so fast our wicks hadn't burnt yet, thinkers had sat bright in the places of ones who'd have had no explanation ..all along?
   Does creation walk hand in hand with evolution 👫? Does it matter to know that 2 different critical ideas have more in common with eachother than 2 exact same ideas had based on others say so, to see if our fates to either ebb or flow could be incorporated into our very design? ..again, if truth were to move faster than light?
   Right now we are the greatest difference of builds of soul as we've ever been. Covid accentuated us, all the flailers & problem solvers for due to our very different mentalities we've become evident to one another. 🙂 *Splits the sea*.

   All I write is free 💨⛵

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   . . . . . . . . . .
   Krystel Spicer Mind Ark Reality As Meta Data
   Is the world noumenal or phenomenal? Is reality external to the mind or do we create it mentally as a convincing illusion? Neither option is convincing. If reality is objective and discernable only as synthetic truths, why do words have such an impact on us? If solipsism is a valid approach why are human problems so intractable. Reality as Meta-Data offers a different possibility and opens a new way of understanding reality in the faith versus nature debate.
   https://www.academia.edu/45153692/Reality_as_Meta_Data

   KSMA Response:
   Is solipsism a valid approach though, if someone experiencing solipsism is characterised by feeling lonely, detached & indifferent to the outside world & is not as impacted by words? If truth is synthetic then yes why would they have such an impact on us (the ones of us who aren't suffering solipsism at least😉)?. Could it stand to reason, that of the two types of people, it would be easiest to think reality is objective to who would wonder we had no explanations?

   Human problems may be hard to deal with if a person cannot discern between 2 things. I think freedom of choice, is the freedom to relinquish life & be ignored doing it. The freedom of someone making choices (who cannot gauge that anything has life let alone one of us more than the other), is also to drag down anyone with them who entertains them. I give thanks to Jesus for offering us forgiveness if we should ask, & for dying for my and your sins, because it leaves me more time to conduct a ripple effect via a Disenfranchisment of minds.

   Who could believe our purpose could be enmeshed with our very beings as history expands as does universe? So that some practice honesty (🔑) & be familiar to other minds in crowded rooms degrees of separation between them, & some others not, & be without as if holding their souls at arm's length from them. When people do that, i don't think reality is meta data. I wonder it would be counterintuitive to think we are meta data, if ones who would naturally think that would would be slight in build of soul. I think reality it is sufficient unto itself😉. Are some "not", & "without", & are condescending & discouraging because they're ebbing? The worse people become, will it be evident by the clusters of them all trying to look as though they've builds of soul enough between them for you not to tell a one of them from the other? Will their attempt to conceal themselves be futile, because it is their fate to reveal themselves for all intents & purposes. They are their own tell-tale canary-in-the-mine. Have you ever seen one turn tables so much that they do a complete roll reversal with you? Might it just so happen, they will wish they never twisted truth when they're themselves are twisted against it one day. Much of what those suffering solipsism do out of inconsideration for us, are mixed blessings😉. That they are friends with people for reasons other than they trust them, teaching that to show respect to anyone is to act friendly to them, tells me they're in a current, & that it is good. Had they not suffered solipsism, this would not be happening. That they did, is it happening beyond anyone's control. (Except that I like to push a little bit😉.)

   To your 1st & second question, I'd say both equally, for it makes sense to me that creation must walk hand in hand with evolution.
   Always a pleasure talking with you Robert Burk .

   . . .it's ok to change our minds 😉

7. Robert!…. you should not lean so much to believe what they have trained you to…..your sentient being is much more real and continuously than what they ever tried to train you to believe or know.
   And that you are acknowledging a line between your sentient being and the part of you that is "trained"….. might seem like an unconscious recognition for the inner spiritual dual self!

8. Some people after wealth, some after game, goal oriented things in short determine the virtual awareness seems to be consciousness but in reality real consciousness is attained once a person realized that consciousness need a goal setting to know where they are or continously reoriented their goal due to changing world. So in order to be consciousness a person need to know both what is preferred reality and what is currently happening and how far the one is from remote goal

9. Anyone who believes that a computer, given sufficient computational power, will become conscious is seriously deluded.

10. Perhaps we were designed so that we are not capable of, at least at this stage or our evolution, understanding God?

    Sir David Attenborough has stated that evolution has stopped. There is no more natural selection of the fittest passing their genes along, the welfare states we have created allow even the most undesirables to pass their genes along. This would explain a great many things.

11. There’s something kind of fishy about this channel it doesn’t seem legit at all it just seems like a guy dressed up nice recording himself I have a feeling he’s faking who are these “credible “people are

12. I can contact people's sub conscience by meditation.
    Depending on the person the reliability and accuracy vary.
    About 50% reliability with one person. But only in the sense, the other person becomes aware of me from a distance.
    I feel sometimes it's an invasion of their space.

13. When the machines become conscious, will they believe that a lump of fatty meat inside a bone shell can be conscious? We only accept that other humans (and some other animals) are conscious because we see them as being like us ie exhibiting fear and anger and enjoyment etc (such emotions having no meaning if they are not conscious), but computers are unlikely to think like us so we will be stuck for a way of either convincing ourselves that they are conscious or convincing them that we are.

14. the coin metaphor makes sense only if you assume that consciousness itself is the illusion. that we only observe what we think are patterns as biology and external force tugs all the puppet strings of human behavior.

15. Baffling too was the concept of "life" until, say, the second half of the last century!

    There exist "consciousness detectors" — namely, the human (and perhaps other) living beings — consisting of a whole body and its brain. For example, a conscious emotional state is "detected" by the brain and its body.

    The concept "consciousness" is still too vague, perhaps, like "life" was in the 19th or early 20th century. (We may remember "Force Vitale".) A body-less analog of a brain might be conscious (or, have its inner experience) of some thing, say, arithmetic, but, it may not have others, say, like "emotional consciousness", as a person may know it, having no living body.

    Consciousness is perhaps a state of the brain (and its body), say, like a pattern of an excited quantum state of a whole hydrogen atom, but not as such, say, of the proton (or, the three quarks) plus the electron when they are not in that excited state.

    (Of course, consciousness is awareness in the first person; a third person "consciousness" may be inferred but with its inherent uncertainty.)

16. It's coming from inside the house. Now what makes that house….

17. It includes too much to summarize into a definition. Everything we can comprehend or not. Write a book.

18. Follow Jesus Christ

    For God so love the world that he gave his only begotten son that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life

19. 4:00 is were the scientists goes off the deep end. He says: "Space and Time are Constructive by the Mind." That's an egocentric construction that dooms all that follows to gibberish. "Our Mind constructs our understanding of a Space and Time that simply IS".  Pretending that we create physical reality is simply a reflection of human being trapped within their egos.

    Perfect example of what I've referred to as getting lost within one's own Mindscape.

20. Loving the shows – and love the way you speak so clearly and concisely about this incredibly intricate topic. Thanks

21. I liked the video without watching it first. 🤫 Don't tell anyone.

22. The Origin Of Consciousness In The Beakdown Of The Bicameral Mind.
    Julian Jaynes 1976

23. The guy at the 15 minute mark had an interesting metaphor relating understanding consciousness to understanding the value of a coin.

    https://youtu.be/llFqYFRw4LM?t=901

24. Omg, this guys metaphor about a coin is beyond stupid. I think most humans are barely conscious. I think these ppl keep idealizing humans and the brain when in reality we are half an inch ahead of the rest of the planet. Just because animals can’t make cars or understand quantum theory, 90% of humans can’t either. And most of the things we attribute to human achievement is already been done mostly by technology. Without precision,manufacturing and a dozen other technologies we wouldn’t even be as aware of things we were never aware of before.

25. This is a joke. Feelings are not consciousness. Virtually everything alive is conscious. We have already made consciousness with millions of machines, satellites, computations. We already have strong or smart enough machines that crush Turing test. Look morons ask yourself this: if a machine can see, hear, and digest every song, book, etc. Humans have a very small finite amount of decisions, actions, choices. It’s not a trillion… So if the machine can weigh the few hundreds of things we do, take all the info into account, it should be able to make reasonable conclusions as we do.

26. When washing your hands, which is the washer and which is being washed?

27. Its baffling because it's starring you in the face…. 🙂

28. The brain named itself.

29. "Skeptical that anything real can follow from feelings." I nominate this as the worst application of skepticism imaginable. The entire grounding of human beings is feeling, and all the fancy work of the higher cortex is nowhere near as real and visceral, as existent, as the felt sense of a human being. This felt sense precedes all the higher learning in human development and also is evident in life forms prior to the evolution of cortex and its functions. Feeling is being; thinking is computing. The thinking is emergent; the feeling is primordial. The cart is before the horse when we are looking for the neo-cortex to produce being. Real being was manifest and experienced in human beings long before the higher brain evolved into an abstraction machine. Don't look for the being in the abstraction machine, or as being the result of the abstraction machine. Being and experience was there first.

30. Consciousness is over analyzed by different fields of professions, ask a Psychologist and she'll say "Conscious is the ability to have a subjective experience." ask a neuroscientist and she'll say "Consciousness is awareness of ones environment and oneself in order to have a meaningful interaction with one's environment for survival and reproduction." Which scares people because "OMG! Skynet was an artificial intelligence with self-awareness. Actually, Kyle Reese didn't use the word artificial intelligence nor AI in the 1st Terminator movie. Plus it's science-FICTION as in not real a type of fiction. Ask a priest and he'll say "Consciousness has to do with your heart and soul." Which is kind of a cop out answer. Ask a philosopher and you'll get books thrown at you from accross the room. So if professionals over analyze Consciousness, the Average Joe is really going to be confused.

31. Consciousness is over analyzed by different fields of professions, ask a Psychologist and she'll say "Conscious is the ability to have a subjective experience." ask a neuroscientist and she'll say "Consciousness is awareness of ones environment and oneself in order to have a meaningful interaction with one's environment for survival and reproduction." Which scares people because "OMG! Skynet was an artificial intelligence with self-awareness. Actually, Kyle Reese didn't use the word artificial intelligence nor AI in the 1st Terminator movie. Plus it's science-FICTION as in not real a type of fiction. Ask a priest and he'll say "Consciousness has to do with your heart and soul." Which is kind of a cop out answer. Ask a philosopher and you'll get books thrown at you from accross the room. So if professionals over analyze Consciousness, the Average Joe is really going to be confused.

32. Subjective consciousness is the core of everything which would never become an observable phenomena however hard one goes on to find it in other human beings, or in the inanimate cosmos.

33. Most brain activity is "background noise" — and that's upending our understanding of consciousness.
    Sounds comes from vibration and might create consciousness.

34. Great insight.. Searching for consciousness is like a blind person , in a dark room ,trying to find a black cat THAT is NOT THERE!!

35. I think we view this the wrong way round. As Sean Carol has observed, we now know that the physical / material world consisting of particles erupts from quantum fields. If we consider consciousness to be the same, a quantum level existence, that manifests into the material world of particles through the brain. It would seem that the brain would be a portal, through which conciseness (in the quantum fields) experiences the physical world. This presents some very interesting challenges to our understanding of the Universe, and some very challenging philosophical questions.

36. old scientists…useless

37. That's pretty easy. Its baffling because you're trying to reduce it chopping it into little pieces via reductionism and the cogntive/intellectual mind and understand it through more of the same. Certainly makes for an engaging show for the intellectual mind though.

    And sorry neuroscience ain't gonna get you there, cool as it is.

    See Nisargattdata, Ramana Marharshi…and any legit nondual spiritual teachings based on contemplation and exploration of experience "from the inside."

38. I imagine we had consciousness long before we had the cerebrum to notice it… to notice our noticing. I don't think it's a physical problem so much as it is a pathological one. If you listen to someone bang on and on about "this feeling" of being an observer, knowing of what a human being is capable without necessarily regarding the fact that you ARE one, it sounds ridiculous. The whole stream of concepts flowing from an observer's mouth about being an observer makes perfect sense; that particular observer's confusion, however, about BEING an observer, doesn't seem to. Honestly… I mean what sort of philosophical questions might a non-observer have about NOT being conscious? Clearly that's nonsense. What about a non-observer that was just convinced he was an observer.

    So, could a robot be built as a complex as a human being that was conscious? I think the better question is that, if anything as complex as a human being actually answers your questions about its own subjective experience, how is its inquiry into its own "state of being" any different than our own? Is there really even a mystery here? I mean I love Chalmers' work but a thermostat doesn't have an amygdala surrounded by a varietal universe of complex cerebra.

39. Dr. Hawkins explained it very well and showed how to apply it. 😇

40. Physical reality is created by/in consciousness, not the other way around

41. … Consciousness is not baffling. It is illegal.

42. To quote Roger Penrose: "Whatever consciousness is, it is not computation."

43. Fascinating topic and interesting questions. However, I'm a little disappointed that you didn't talk to Roger Penrose, he also has some has interesting ideas on the subject.

44. 15:53 danggggg!!!! The metaphor

45. What if it's all just waves going in, and waves going out?

46. To take a common, necessarily vague, English word used in everyday speech like, "consciousness", "information", "life", "reality", etc. (you get the idea) and try to make it into scientific jargon (anybody's version – I don't care whose) I find foolish, distasteful, and boring.

47. The brain is the interface to his consciousness operates a body.

48. consciousness evolves !! just like everything else hence the explanation of god an ultimate consciousness and intelligence that can create universes

49. It is like trying to define TAOISM. or what is beyond the notes in music. It is everything,and all, at once.

50. love is not a biological need to reproduce, it is direct opposition to the meaninglessness of existence.

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