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Paolo Sironi is a globally recognised thought leader in banking, financial technology, and artificial intelligence, with more than 25 years of experience spanning finance, risk management, innovation, research, and executive advisory.
He is the Global Research Leader for Banking and Financial Markets at the IBM Institute for Business Value, where he leads global research on the future of banking and advises senior executives on business transformation, emerging technologies, and sustainable growth.
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Paolo Sironi Interview Questions
00:00 – Intro
03:00 – Why Quantum Sapiens
07:39 – Conscious banking
13:45 – Quantum Sapiens as a novel
20:23 – The writing process
25:13 – Quantum Sapiens
30:10 – Definition of Quantum
36:24 – A Science Fiction or thought experiment?
39:55 – The future of humanity with AI
44:12 – AI ethics & responsibility
50:12 – Quantum gravity & humanity
01:01:50 – Dynamics of humanity
01:06:11 – What does it truly mean to be human?
01:11:27 – Closure
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Paolo Sironi Interview Questions
00:00 – Intro
03:00 – Why Quantum Sapiens
07:39 – Conscious banking
13:45 – Quantum Sapiens as a novel
20:23 – The writing process
25:13 – Quantum Sapiens
30:10 – Definition of Quantum
36:24 – A Science Fiction or thought experiment?
39:55 – The future of humanity with AI
44:12 – AI ethics & responsibility
50:12 – Quantum gravity & humanity
01:01:50 – Dynamics of humanity
01:06:11 – What does it truly mean to be human?
01:11:27 – Closure
It's becoming clear that with all the brain and consciousness theories out there, the proof will be in the pudding. By this I mean, can any particular theory be used to create a human adult level conscious machine. My bet is on the late Gerald Edelman's Extended Theory of Neuronal Group Selection. The lead group in robotics based on this theory is the Neurorobotics Lab at UC at Irvine. Dr. Edelman distinguished between primary consciousness, which came first in evolution, and that humans share with other conscious animals, and higher-order consciousness, which came to only humans with the acquisition of sophisticated language (especially math and logic). A machine with only primary consciousness will probably have to come first.
What I find special about the TNGS is the Darwin series of automata created at the Neurosciences Institute by Dr. Edelman and his colleagues in the 1990's and 2000's. These machines perform in the real world, not in a restricted simulated world, and display convincing physical behavior indicative of higher psychological functions necessary for consciousness, such as perceptual categorization, memory, and learning. They are based on realistic models of the parts of the biological brain that the theory claims subserve these functions. The extended TNGS allows for the emergence of consciousness based only on further evolutionary development of the brain areas responsible for these functions, in a parsimonious way. No other research I've encountered is anywhere near as convincing.
I post because on almost every video and article about the brain and consciousness that I encounter, the attitude seems to be that we still know next to nothing about how the brain and consciousness work; that there's lots of data but no unifying theory. I believe the extended TNGS is that theory. My motivation is to keep that theory in front of the public. And obviously, I consider it the route to a truly conscious machine, primary and higher-order.
My advice to people who want to create a conscious machine is to seriously ground themselves in the extended TNGS and the Darwin automata first, and proceed from there, by applying to Jeff Krichmar's lab at UC Irvine, possibly. Dr. Edelman's roadmap to a conscious machine is at https://arxiv.org/abs/2105.10461, and here is a video of Jeff Krichmar talking about some of the Darwin automata, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7Uh9phc1Ow
I really enjoyed the way Paolo Sironi approaches AI from both a technological and philosophical perspective, making the conversation much more than a typical discussion about emerging technology
This raises big questions
Fascinating ideas
Really enjoyed the way AI was discussed from a human perspective
Paolo Sironi brings some very original ideas to the conversation
Great conversation
Great perspective on AI
The idea of exploring AI through fiction is very compelling
Quantum Sapiens sounds like a very thought provoking concept
I enjoyed hearing about the ideas that inspired Quantum Sapiens
Quantum Sapiens is a very intriguing concept
Really enjoyed the insights
Amazing conversation
Such an interesting concept
Great points
Thought provoking
So much to think about
The connection between financial technology and broader questions about human consciousness may seem unexpected at first, but the discussion makes it clear that both fields are deeply connected through human decision making
I really enjoyed hearing how Paolo Sironi connects his professional experience in technology and finance with broader questions about the future of humanity
Quantum Sapiens sounds like a fascinating journey into the future
So many fascinating ideas
Really enjoyed Paolo Sironi’s perspective
I found the writing process behind Quantum Sapiens just as interesting as the ideas in the book because it shows how difficult concepts can develop through creative storytelling
Paolo Sironi offers a unique perspective on where technology could take us
AI and humanity are fascinating
This topic deserves much more attention
This is a great example of technology inspiring philosophical questions
I found the distinction between science fiction and thought experiment especially interesting
This interview leaves the audience with many questions rather than simple conclusions and that makes the conversation feel especially valuable for anyone interested in AI and consciousness
Very insightful
Very insightful conversation
Lots to consider here
The discussion about quantum gravity and humanity was particularly intriguing and shows how seemingly abstract scientific concepts can lead to much broader questions
Paolo Sironi presents some fascinating ideas about the future and the role that artificial intelligence could play in shaping the way humans understand themselves
Fascinating future ahead
The connection between quantum concepts and human consciousness is fascinating, especially when presented as a way of encouraging deeper thought rather than as a simple explanation of the future