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Quantum mechanics has nothing to do with the conscious observer | Sir Roger Penrose
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This is an extract from the debate 'Quantum and the unknowable universe', with Sabine Hossenfelder, Slavoj Žižek and Roger Penrose. You can watch it for free on YouTube via the link at the bottom of the short.
What he gets wrong i think is scale. You dont send one probe. But you send 2 or 10 google probes. 1 probe the x planet and a second to x planet in a different universe (or different region in our universe) they're both identical but one has something different in it than the other. Same with the google probes. All go to planet x in different parts of the universe (ours or another) all identical but with some or no differences. The problem is failure to recognize that everything are made of the same fundamental substrade wether its conciousness, charge, potential, void, chaos, will, an electron, etc
👍👍👍 make no sense to me whatever 🙂
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Dr. Penrose makes perfect sense. But I wish someone would clear up the confusion between the terms observation and measurement. My understanding is that just looking at something doesn't change a quantum system. It has to interact with a measuring device for the wave function to collapse. Yet these terms seem to be used interchangeably.
QM classicalised in 2009. Such shameless clueless pretenders. Butt, hay, that's 'science'.
That's only if you assume atomic structures don't have their own observer effect. The nested observer is way more compelling than the miopic idea that us 'sentient beings'are the only rendering devices of the universe
None of that makes any sense
Here: and? Any information is wave until observed. Regardless.
This is assuming we are the ones collapsing the wave function, my opinion is that God is the ultimate consciousness that collapses all the wave functions that we ourselves do not observe
You cannot take yourself Out of the equation.
maybe the planet is across the brane
You are talking just about this phisical dimension .tell me were is your mind stored .youll telll me my brain.explain ghost then.
WELL… COME TO THE WELL KNOWN… WHO IS WELCOMING ALL OF YOU TO BECOME WHO YOU REALLY ARE, THE UNKNOWN…
THE ONE WHO DROPS EVERYTHING THAT KNOW, HE OR SHE START TO KNOW THE UNKNOWN.
Cuts off before the point is made – pathetic/awful click bait edit.
I can tell you he goes on to say:
that it is that the interaction of that which takes the measurement is the interaction that changes the state from a superposition into a given state as opposed to the observer. 👍
What if the observer who wanted to know how the Weather is brings his conciousness into the connection and gravity is not enough for the Collapse?
Pam
Einstein was right
so explain ehat happen on the old double slit experiment …
The only way to know when the weather collapsed would be to have already measured it, but that would have already collapsed it. In other words, there is by definition no way to even test this question, which makes it badly formulated imp
I said kind of the same thing with different words 20 years ago at uni, but I’m not Nobel price so they made me retake the exam until I vomited the bullshit they were feeding me😢
Everything is the observer and the effect at the same time
So a rock “decided” it was going to be gold because it is, so that proves it.
That perspective from Penrose reminds me of a time I spent an inordinate amount of time wondering if I was living in a matrix, or in a movie set like the Truman show, except God was the one pulling all the strings. It even went as far as me waking up in the middle of the night sneaking around the house hoping to catch God eating my biscuits and drinking my Milk after a hard day running my life 😂
Wrong. The double slit experiment is the proof. Once you realize this is a simulation, it will become clear to you. Video games only render something once you look at it. Otherwise, there wouldn't be enough computer power.
Mad sense to me, seems like she didn’t understand though
I have always assumed that a coherent quantum system is anentropic, and not subject to time in the sense we are used to thinking about it, until it interacts with a wider system that is entropic. The previously coherent system is then part of an entropic system, subject to time and not coherent. No conscious observe is required, although any observation will necessarily introduce entropy. There is no ghost in the machine!
Same answer as for the “does a tree falling over make a sound…….
Us being there makes no difference.
She doesnt have an idea.
But I thought they’d proven that in fact, that is the case in the laboratory. Am I missing the point or what?
On another note, the problem with a Mars probe is that by the time the images get to earth its possible the planet has succumbed to some chaos-derived annihilation. Now you are headed towards a destitute planet thats 3 light years inside a blackhole.
Penrose’s casual use of physics terminology to describe normal every day things that the average listener understands intuitively is an astonishingly clever and generous way of demystifying physics terminology.
It always have been a question of semantics, nothing more.
Sabine explaned this better in one of her youtube videos.
doesnt have to be a concious observer….
What a lot of rambling bollocks.
At last, someone talking sense about Quantum Mechanics.
Love this… i always thought superposition was bullshit along with dark matter and a few other smart people dumb ideas.
I did not understand what he was trying to say.
I have an expansion on the idea. We used quantum entanglement as the communication method. At the exact point at which you described still when we view the image, the superpositions are determined.