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Lex Fridman

Kai-Fu Lee is the Chairman and CEO of Sinovation Ventures that manages a 2 billion dollar dual currency investment fund with a focus on developing the next generation of Chinese high-tech companies. He is the former President of Google China and the founder of what is now called Microsoft Research Asia, an institute that trained many of the AI leaders in China, including CTOs or AI execs at Baidu, Tencent, Alibaba, Lenovo, and Huawei. He was named one of the 100 most influential people in the world by TIME Magazine. He is the author of seven best-selling books in Chinese, and most recently the New York Times best seller called AI Superpowers: China, Silicon Valley, and the New World Order. This conversation is part of the Artificial Intelligence podcast.

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OUTLINE:
0:00 – Introduction
1:26 – Chinese soul
4:28 – Difference between cultures of AI engineering
6:39 – Role of data in near-term impact of AI
8:37 – Tesla Autopilot approach
11:56 – Microsoft, Google, Apple and Silicon Valley cultures
24:22 – Entrepreneurship in China
38:51 – Impact of AI on jobs
44:58 – Andrew Yang and UBI
48:38 – Jobs that can’t be automated
56:20 – Role for governments
58:30 – Cold War and the arms race metaphor
1:04:50 – Freedom of speech & different value systems in China & US
1:07:37 – Privacy challenges
1:12:27 – Heart and soul of a business
1:14:00 – Facing mortality
1:18:46 – Hard work and balance
1:22:12 – Advice to entrepreneurs
1:25:38 – First question for an AGI system

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48 thoughts on “Kai-Fu Lee: AI Superpowers – China and Silicon Valley | Artificial Intelligence (AI) Podcast”

  1. I really enjoyed this conversation with Kai-Fu. Here's the high-level outline:

    0:00 – Introduction

    1:26 – Chinese soul

    4:28 – Difference between cultures of AI engineering

    6:39 – Role of data in near-term impact of AI

    8:37 – Tesla Autopilot approach

    11:56 – Microsoft, Google, Apple and Silicon Valley cultures

    24:22 – Entrepreneurship in China

    38:51 – Impact of AI on jobs

    44:58 – Andrew Yang and UBI

    48:38 – Jobs that can't be automated

    56:20 – Role for governments

    58:30 – Cold War and the arms race metaphor

    1:04:50 – Freedom of speech & different value systems in China & US

    1:07:37 – Privacy challenges

    1:12:27 – Heart and soul of a business

    1:14:00 – Facing mortality

    1:18:46 – Hard work and balance

    1:22:12 – Advice to entrepreneurs

    1:25:38 – First question for an AGI system

  8. I dont think a job necessarily provides meaning. You can find that in activities, hobbies, relationships etc
    A dead end cashier job doesnt provide greater meaning, window cleaner.
    Theres lots of jobs that just need to be done but provide no greater meaning.
    People will find greater meaning when they are more free to makes choices on their terms and not be restricted to the paths the american economy.

  11. Just adding in here a comment to say verbally that I liked this podcast better than few others.. May be because Kai-Fu Lee's answers seemed unbiased and honest (to me), gave insights into the practical issues and and possible practical solutions, rectified the hype around "AI is at rise", how companies and governments around the world are adopting to AI (Chinese infrastructures with built in sensors to facilitate Autonomous Vehicle test circuits), scenario of the AI startups and the differentiation between ML against AGI based startups' planning and approaches, and the human touch – about his life experience (cancer) and after-effects (much useful for upcoming workaholics if they would like to help themselves) and the final question by @Lex_Fridman and Kai-Fu Lee's answer, really carefully thought, beautifully put and quickly replied.

  15. Man I'm about halfway through, but this is crazy enlightening about how China handles their infrastructure considering their national infrastructure bank is the world's largest. Great interview.

  17. I really don't mean to be hard on this distinguished gentleman, but there are comments he is making about the future which are not well thought out. That's ok with me.

  18. He's right. He's not an expert in geopolitics. I'm not either, but I can recognize garbled thinking. It's a touchy subject. Lex, you are doing a great job of handling this. But I am not happy with is careful ducking and dodging.

  21. if anyone, I would have expected Lee Kai-Fu to be the one who best understands Yang but he basically just throws out the most off the shelf lazy remarks people make vis a vis UBI.

  23. This is really interesting thanks for sharing Lex – as a point of feedback, I believe the audio and video out of sync by 100-400ms as mouth movement doesn't seem to line up properly. No biggie, but distracting nonetheless. Great job otherwise!

  25. So humanity is foolish because no ""World Government"" in place? – Shockingly stupid stuff coming from a level of intellectual like him. Stay with tech! Utopian views are fatally simplistic and don't work … never worked even on a smaller scale … The EU is falling apart slowly but surely as it extends authority over members and leaves it's traditional form (pure trading, economic bonds – no ideologies, NONE!) behind.

  26. Dear Lex, I stumbled into your podcast with Kai-Fu Lee who I already know about as a great contributor to AI and to many subjects, but I was truly impressed by the thoughtful questions you asked and your ability to articulate and to draw out many profound observations from Mr. Lee. Congratulations!

  27. Does freedom of speech inspire creativity? I have to say yes, there is definitely a link. Not to undermine China's potential but ask yourself do you realistically think governments like China would be able to progress in tech like AI speach synthesis and other data intense applications without copying any technology in the US with the amount censorship China has? I don't thik China would have come this far without the freedoms that US is based on.

  34. Many thanks for the podcast. One thing was very strange though – how Lex plugs Russia here and there during the interview, although it has little to none impact in AI area.

  35. while talking about copying others they never mention Microsoft. MS didn't just copy they stole then relied on deep pockets to exhaust the lawsuits until they could force a buy out. There's the problem of copy-cating at a globalization scale.

  37. lex you deserve the nobel peace prize for this interview. this is the most sensistive stuff. you realize this guy can get in serious trouble back in china if he says the wrong things. and you help him say the right things, things that promote peace while not being simple=minded shallow and useless.

    excellent job.

  39. Yes he's very intelligent and knowledgeable but lack of common sense for unemployment and UBI. Please keep in mind he's from and work very close to Communist China, opposite of Democratic Taiwan where Andrew's parents are from.

  43. American technology was built on stealing captured German technology. While as rockets were invented by Goddard, they were largely ignored by America at the time that it was published. When the captured Germans were interrogated, they replied that Goddard gave them the initial ideas. The Wright brothers invented and patented air flight, but were forced to give up their patents to Curtis Aircraft, because Curtis had the government contacts to force legislation to break up the patents. German aircraft were superior to American, but America produced enough volume to dominate WWII. Even stealth aircraft from captured German prototypes was used to design American design. America [largely with financing by Ford, DuPont and Getty] motivated HItler to invade Russia, as it was time to kill the Bolshevik baby in its crib. – Teddy Roosevelt. Now, with the US in massive debt, a war with China will turn allow the US to get out of its debt obligations and send off the growing unrest in the domestic masses to fight and die so that the New World Order is preserved.
    American government is there to fund the industrial military complex without competitive bidding and banking industry.

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