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  3. "solutions create problems"

    I think this is the one single tidbit that most people politicians included- dont understand or care to. any solution is going to have consequences and side effects. not always good. any policy, no matter how good it seems, will always cause something bad somewhere

  4. Just because homicide is down doesn’t mean people killing people is down. It may be but I don’t know. Seems charged rarely go to court now & even murder is plead down to a charge like manslaughter.
    That’s basically what criminal justice reform it.
    Cities like Phili , Chicago & Boston get DAs that ran on a platform of “not arresting our way out of this problem” and they are related to black lives matter.
    From the moment they get in office they just tell the cops to arrest less people to get the crime stats down.
    Often crime stats go down as violence is going up

  6. at 3:02 does he really expect us to go along with one chart? A chart he admits was tampered with? He pulls out one dodgy chart from somewhere and we have to accept the statement by pinker that the chart directly negates the idea that " you can have economic growth or you can have environmental improvement but you can't have both " Is he a simpleton???

  7. Concerns about mass immigration are dismissed as populist despite the fact that the 40 years of relatively low immigration after WWII allowed large and growing minorities to form and in the last 30 years since the collapse of the Soviet Union the rate of immigration to Europe has massively increased.

  8. If we made a scientific breakthrough which allowed us to live forever, would that be progress?

    Is there ever a "solution" that causes even more problems than it solves?

    By all the metrics Steven Pinker cites, China has made massive progress in the last few decades. But would you rather be working in a Chinese Iphone factory, or hunting buffalo on the pre-Columbian prairies?

  10. I don't know why people assume the younger generations will vote Left Wing. If they're going by polls then they should know that they're not reliable vis-s-vis Trump, Brexit and the Tories I'm seeing the opposite. Younger Millennials most likely will vote Liberal or Democrat, but don't be too sure about Generation Z. They're growing up in a polarised time and the counter culture seems to be firmly on the Right these days which may turn out to be more appealing for them.

  11. Steven Pinker seems to have done a lot of cherry-picking to come up with his measures of progress. How come there are no graphs on, for example, greenhouse gas emissions against time? Biodiversity against time? Water pollution against time? The rate at which animals are killed against time? There might be some things that are getting better, but does that mean we should ignore those things that are getting worse?

  15. People desperately crave attention these days, and emphasizing the extremes helps to attract the attention they want. That pretty much explains why most of the news today is so extreme in one direction or the other. Being reasonable and quietly explaining your point of view doesn't get you much attention these days.

  18. This analysis is done from within the American bubble.. If I don't believe in reforming a corrupted system I am not necessarily a pessimistic nihilist!! there is a third way which is THE way.. it's the way when you believe, recognize, and try to help human progress but you know that the system is utterly evil, irreparably corrupted, and is hindering this progress therefore ought to be taken down.. this way is called REVOLUTION.. it's very possible and pretty much unavoidable.. yeah.. and beautiful!!!

  19. As a progressive person this is the kind of stuff we are proud of as signs of progress. To me it seems conservatives deny progress which is why they want to go back to an illusory time when everything was better but as we progress things get better. The only thing remotely close this that I might claim is that progressives focus on what isn't working which is what we should be doing: focusing on the next problem to solve

  21. In the U S, labor initiatives like minimum wage, overtime pay, child labor laws, DAYS OFF OF WORK, and occupational safety, came from unions (progressives). Other social changes in the 20th century were equal rights for black people (who were denied, among other obvious issues, equal opportunities for education until 1960's ), social security, the right to vote for women, the women's movement, and the awareness of environmental issues. These were championed by conservatives?

  24. It's incredibly stupid to equate "drain the swamp" with "smash the machine" . . I can't believe Mr. Pinker doesn't get that. Cleaning up real corruption is required to keep the "machine" working, it's not a threat to a society or Government. This fellow is not really all that bright, Or he's playing games to make it sound like real corruption cannot exist, or is not a serious problem that requires addressing. (I highly suspect he really is that bright ; )

  29. The Progressive definition of progress is different than the conservative definition.
    To the progressive progress means equality of outcome, which is anathema to liberty. To the conservative progress means liberty and equality of opportunity.

    "A society that puts equality — in the sense of equality of outcome — ahead of freedom will end up with neither equality nor freedom. The use of force to achieve equality will destroy freedom, and the force, introduced for good purposes, will end up in the hands of people who use it to promote their own interests." –Milton Friedman

  38. In local areas such as the UK poverty has increased as has homelessness with much of Europe. Misery appears to have increased in much of the poorer world. Some parts have improved, relatively. Clear problems: pollution acidification destruction of forests, coral reefs. So the sweeping generalisations here presented are untrue. His steady upwards ignores too much to be valid. Go back to your drawing board my good man. Too many flaws to list. Too much time on Mount Royal or the Boiler Room? Peter L. Dollins.

  40. Wait! What? Did this buffoon just say that people believe Trump just shored up a rotten/broken system?!? Even those that despise Trump know that those who voted for him didn't do so because he was a "safe" bet/candidate. Michael Moores leftist spin on this (voters thought tossing a hand grenade into the system was better that Clinton corruption) was more accurate than this moron's take that Trump was a insixer/safe choice. What the literal f*ck garbage is he spewing???

  41. what about the debt of the countries, so the debt of the population? what about the number of homeless in western societies? what about the number of depression and suicide people? what about the corruption of politics? If you call democracy that kind of society where the coorporation commands the laws to be enforce to the society, then you can call kindness all the bombs that were thrown the arabic population and the invation af their countrie to destroy their lives. This guy only looks at what he wants to look, and then forget about anythingelse.

  45. These shallow metrics and Pollyanna positions likely plays very well to prospective student’s parents and the alumni. Activism is not present here because it could potentially reveal the financial fraud today’s universities are guilty of. Pinker would make a wonderful recruiter and campus tour guide but should never be allowed to evaluate real educators.

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